Do I need a new tripod head for a heavier lens?

[magilla]

Hello all,

First time poster here, so if I screw something up please be patient.

I've got an R50, and I am looking to purchase a 200-800 f6.3 lens. I've been using a 100-400 f5.6 up to now, often with a 1.4x converter. I mostly hand-hold while shooting.

I have a Manfrotto 190 tripod with a 128RC head that has a spotting scope living on it, but that sometimes gets swapped out for my camera. I've done a lot of birding on the shore in some pretty windy conditions so the weight helps keep things safe and (sorta mostly) stable.

Will I need to replace the tripod head if I'm going to mount the 200-800 lens? I see the lens plate on the 128RC is much smaller than the mount on the lens.

I'd be willing to spend a few hundred dollars on a new head, if I was convinced it was really needed. (Who was it who said a cheap tripod is the most expensive piece of optical gear you can buy?)

Thanks

Chris

[ebiggs1]

I would say the most support you can give it or get is what you want. This is my rig......................

That's a Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Sports lens and a 1 Series camera. It is a pretty heavy package.

[Waddizzle]

Do you own the big  lens, yet? Because I would say try it out and see.  It’s a safe bet that the micro head will need to be upgrade. Is this the one?

Fluid video heads tend to have too much dampening for fast action, wildlife photography. 

Depending upon how much I might be on the moon, I use a monopod with tilt head or a tripod with a high quality ball head.  In either case, the heads use Arca-Swiss plates 

 

 if you go for a monopod, go for one at least as tall as you are. 

[shadowsports]

Greetings,

I shot with my RF200-800 this weekend in the wind and from a boat.  I wished I had my tripod with me.  Also Manfrotto (carbon)

Your tripod is likely fine.  Like my colleague suggested, you can try it with the 128RC

That's a lot of plastic, but you can try it.  The tripod plate will fasten to the foot on your lens 1/4-20.

I never leave my rig out of arms reach.  Dogs, wind, younger children etc. can make a mishap and ruin your day.  I have a mid tier head, but wouldn't hesitate to buy something more heavy duty.  Especially if I spent a lot of time shooting birds.  Here's what I got last weekend using a pillow for stabilization.  🫣 Your R50 will do great with the 200-800.  It's a fantastic lens.  You will absolutely need a good strong tripod in order to keep it steady because when you're zoomed at 800mm you'll want to be as steady as possible.  This lens on your camera (at 800mm) will have an equivalent field of view of 1260mm so fully zoomed it's going to be like looking through a telescope.  The 128RC head is rated for up to 13 lbs, but conservatively you want to stay under 10.  Shouldn't be a problem body and lens, but again, you'll have to evaluate If it feels stable enough for you.  

Have fun and good luck!

[SignifDigits]

Manfrotto specs it as 13.2 Pound weight capacity.  Lens is 4.5 and camera adds about another pound.  Many sources say you're good to 8 to 9 pounds for the fluid head to work, but it sounds like you'll be well under that weight.  Some folks seem to complain about some shake at it seems the base plate might get loose, but tightening it should fix that.  The Manfrotto page is at https://www.manfrotto.com/global-en/128rc-micro-fluid-video-head-aluminium-128rc/.

It's probably ok, but perhaps just ok as a fluid head is really more for video than photography.  I would agree with Waddiizzle with his "try it out and see" recommendation.  It doesn't appear that it will be unsafe.    The RC2 plate on the lens foot will help balance it out.  I don't know how many tripod shots you will wind up making with the lens in your situation, so trying it out is your best bet to see if it works for you or not and whether you really need a new head.

[ebiggs1]

"Fluid video heads tend to have too much dampening for fast action, wildlife photography."

I never found that to be true. But I only use my rig for wildlife that is fairly stationary in one spot or location so movement of the fluid head isn't an issue at all. For moveable mobil wildlife I still use hand held. Any tripod or monopod is a problem for fast moving wildlife.

Even at my advanced age, I still have no problem hand holding my 1DX and Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG DN OS Sports Lens.

Yes, I am sure that is a person to person and individual ability to thing. It is just something I have always done and it continues to this day.

[SignifDigits]

I could have used my removable leg/monopod when I was holding my 200-800mm on a subject bird for maybe 10 or so minutes straight once hoping it could be enough out of cover for a shot.  My arms got pretty tired then - and I was even using the elbow into the belly rest.   I wouldn't have had any use for the tripod as I was too busy moving around.  Maybe next time I will put the leg/monopod my pocket, though I don't see me taking the time to install and uninstall it.  Maybe someone will invent a pocket monopod with a quick-release someday (if they haven't already) for situations like that.

[Jkarl]

I purchased a Leofoto CF-06  lens foot for the Canon 200-800 it works well with both my tripod and monopod.

It is a Arca mount.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1842441-REG/leofoto_cf_06_replacement_lens_foot.html

[SignifDigits]

Thanks for that info Jkarl - good to know.  Hope it works well for you.