10-27-2020 01:51 PM
I have always wanted to take on photography as a hobby but have never been able to afford it. My kids are grown and grandbabies are here so I thought now would be a great time to splurge a little and start a hobby I have always dreamed about. I am not a rich man but have given myself around a $1000 (give or take) to find a good starter camera. If I love the hobby like I think I will, I can grow in the future but for now this is a good starting point.
The main reason I am starting this hobby now is in the next 2 years I will be crusing to Alaska and Mexico, going to Hawaii and Disney World. I want to have a nice camera to capture these events as well as grandkids sporting events (13 yo, 10 yo, and 6 yo). I plan to use my camera equally for photographs and for video.
I have been researching via youtube and online courses so I know some of the basics and have a VERY general undertsanding of the terminology. At this time I am planning on either the SL3 or the M50 (leaning towards SL3 for cost reasons... want to keep them low if possible). I want to list the positive and negatives, as this newbie understands, so I know how important the pros and cons are for my situation so I can make a well educated choice.
I apolgize for this being so long but I am hoping to get myself better educated before the Black Friday sales come!
10-31-2020 11:18 PM
11-01-2020 11:05 AM
RP probably best choice
SL3 too small M50 Mark Ii No M50" No
11-01-2020 12:30 PM
11-01-2020 12:50 PM - edited 11-01-2020 12:52 PM
live love the 90D, you say the RP is the best choice. Just curious for the reasoning."
Canon may not like what I am going to say but the ef/ef-s line is over. You are buying for today if you buy into the ef/ef-s line of cameras. Canon has made it clear, to me at least, they are all in for mirrorless. However, the 90D, probably the end or last of the line, is a superb camera. It is Canon's best effort in this line of xxD cameras. The good part of that it, it will always be that good no matter what else Canon comes out with or direction they go. Will there be a 100D to further the line? I seriously doubt it but who knows except Canon and they ain't talkin.
Although I have four 1 series cameras, the 90D has always called to me. If I were to give in and buy one it would be with one of two lens choices. The EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens or in my case leaning more towards the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens. I got to use the latter combo one day and was seriously blown away at the IQ of the photos. Things that should not tempt a person like me that already has GAS. (Gear Acquirement Syndrome) No known cure just treatment of symptoms!
BTW, noting these suggestions blow your budget beyond the moon! Sorry. But like I mentioned in the long run it may be the cheaper way to go as this gear is about as good as it gets. You could buy more expensive but you are not likely to buy better.
11-01-2020 01:17 PM
11-01-2020 01:34 PM
The 90D and the kit lens combo is about $1350. Some of the New York cameras stores have it in a combo with extra batteries and SD card right now. Perhaps others too. I don't recommend Amazon unless you deal directly with Amazon. The problem is you can't always tell. Best Buy and Cosco, local camera shop are local choices you might have. You get to "feel" it is you go there.
11-19-2020 08:08 AM
I found this review in Youtube about SL3 and M50
05-29-2023 09:24 PM - edited 05-31-2023 03:26 AM
In all honesty even though I have a M50 and like the camera I would never buy one now (I won mine about 3 or 4 years ago, it is a Mark I) The M series is pretty much dead and there are not many lenses native to the M series line though with an adapter you can use EF/EFS lenses with no problems that I have found. If I were to buy myself I would try to get one that takes the newer RF series of lenses.
05-29-2023 10:10 PM - edited 05-29-2023 11:59 PM
I am late to this topic, so please forgive me is I cover ground already dealt with, even though I have read through the various replies.
I agree with my esteemed colleagues that the M-series cameras are obsolete and a dead end. Canon has not developed them in a long time and it is clear that they are creating a platform in the R-series bodies that will woo M-series users away.
While I am absolutely not dismissing the idea of the 90D, (I used to have one) because it is a good DSLR camera, it faces much the same issue, but to a lesser degree as the M-series. Canon has made no move to develop their DSLR line in a while, but they put on the market new R-series bodies. The good news is that you can use EF and (with limitations) EF-S lenses on the new R-series bodies with an EF-RF adapter.
All that said, the R-series bodies are where the development is and where the future lies. R-series bodies have features you will not find in DSLRs, like full eye tracking and focus, some have In-Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) - while neither the M-series nor DSLRS do and these would seem to be benefits to consider for the kinds of photography you want.
As far as video goes, I am not a videographer, but generally the R-series bodies benefit from the same features as for stills and offer better resolution and frame rates.
Given you are starting on your photographic journey, you have the benefit of not having any legacy gear, so my view would be to go straight for R-series bodies and lenses - if you can afford what you want. It is important to consider optics with at least the same weight as the camera body, and while there are excellent legacy EF and EF-S lenses out there that may be cheap, you will have to consider the added cost of the EF-RF adapter. Also, some features of R-series bodies do not play well with EF lenses. For example, using high speed electronic shutter is not available with legacy lenses, nor is integration of IBIS with lens IS if they are both available.
Given your range of subjects you seem to be looking for a moderate wide-angle to moderate telephoto lens for general touring and social imagery with stills and video, and a longer telephoto zoom for sport, wildlife etc.
BODIES: Likely then, you might consider two lenses plus a body. All of the bodies you have considered so far have APS-C sensors, so if you move that across to the R-series bodies there are several within that group: in descending order from most sophisticated and expensive, they are:
EOS R7, EOS R10, R50 and R100. The following link will allow you to compare the various features of these models.
Side by Side Comparison Canon EOS R7 vs. Canon EOS R10 vs. Canon EOS R50 vs. EOS R100: Digital Photo...
LENSES: for general shooting and videography, you might want to consider the RF-S 18-45 and couple that with the RF-S 55-200 for longer work. Alternatively, if you want to save up for longer reach in the future, you could start with the RF-S 18-150 as a general walkabout lens, and eventually get the RF 100-400 when you can afford it. Here is a comparison chart for those lenses:
Side by Side Comparison Canon RF-S 18-45mm vs. Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM vs. Canon RF-S 18...
Budget: I don't live in the US, so it is not so easy to have my ear to the ground for bargains over there, but here are some prices for combinations from the Canon site, as a guide. You can look for cheaper prices, but again I would suggest considering the wisdom of my colleagues regarding purchasing from reputable camera stores rather than off the web.
R100+ RF-S 18-45 STM ($480)
R50 + RF-S 18-45 STM ($800)
R50 + RF-S 18-45 STM + RF-S 55-200 STM ($1,029) See the link to this HERE
R10 + RF-S 18-34 STM ($999)
R10 + RF-S 18-150 STM ($1,279)
I suggest you check out the relative specs that I supplied and see what most relates to what you want. You will likely not get everything you want within your $1,000 budget, but if you can get a deal then you could do very well.
05-29-2023 11:55 PM
For me, when I wanted to upgrade, it came down to a choice between the SL3 and the Canon T8i. I chose the T8i because it had a slightly faster burst rate, and it had 45 focus points instead of the Sl3's 9 points.
The 90D is a great camera, but one thing to consider is the weight. It comes in at 701 grams, or about 24 Oz. You said you want to do a lot of traveling, and it looks like some of your destinations will involve a lot of walking. That weight will come into play.
The SL3 weighs about 449 grams, or 15.8 oz.. The T8i comes in at 515 grams or 18.1 oz.
It's something to keep in mind.
As others have said, I also think that Canon's M line of cameras are kind of obsolete now.
05/31/2023: New firmware updates are available.
EOS R6 Mark II - Version 1.1.2
05/18/2023: New firmware updates are available.
EOS Rebel T100 - Version 1.1.0
EOS 5D Mark IV - Version 1.4.0
EOS 6D Mark II - Version 1.2.0
PowerShot Elph 360HS - Version 22.214.171.124
PowerShot SX420 IS - Version 126.96.36.199
PowerShot 620 HS - Version 188.8.131.52
PowerShot SX720 HS - Version 184.108.40.206
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PowerShot G9X Mark II - Version 22.214.171.124
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Speedlite EL-1 - Version 1.0.2
03/30/2023: Product Advisory for EF50 F1.2 L USM
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2/07/2023: New product announcements!EOS R8 EOS R50RF-S55-210mm F5-7.1 IS STMRF24-50mm F4.5-6.3 IS STMRF15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM
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