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Re: Color cast with print profiles for Canon Pro 1000 on Windows 10

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Thanks John,

Please accept my lack of knowledge.

My initial understanding was that calibrating my monitor would allow me to create the look I want in Lightroom, and that I can replicate that look on print, using the appropriate paper profile. Your last message however states my understanding of this concept is wrong. 

If I read that right, the only way to get the desired screen to print match, is to use softproof view, ticking the box for Simulating the paper and ink, and then to make the Lightroom adjustments required?

Is that correct?

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Re: Color cast with print profiles for Canon Pro 1000 on Windows 10

I have just used the Softproof function, and adjusted the image to below Softproof. This was then printed, but the result is a mismatch. The print turned red and looks much worse than then the bottom image below. What was meant to reduce the yellow-orange turned into pink-brown print. I think below is not a true reflection, as the very bottom is a photograph of the print. The disceprepancy between these two is worse than what is shown here.

 

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Re: Color cast with print profiles for Canon Pro 1000 on Windows 10

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Hi Andreas. Your understanding is correct, within the limitations of the printer and paper system.

 

When you calibrate your monitor you ensure that the RGB/luminance values you see on the monitor are the same as in the digital file in your computer.

 

The ICC profile for the paper tries to do the same.

 

But there are steps in the way that affect that process.

 

The monitor is a transmitted image; paper is a reflected image. That affects things.

 

Your monitor can show pure white and pure black. Not all photo papers can show pure white. Some deliberate, like warm photo papers, and some as a consquence of their type, like metallic papers. Put a metallic paper next to Canon Photo Paper Pro Platinum (a great paper for color images).

 

Photo papers have a range of colors they can "produce" in printing, called the gamut. Some are smaller than AdobeRGB that a good monitor can display. There are limitations in what the inks can do. Higher quality printers use more inks in an attempt to better produce colors. Cheap printers have 4 inks; yours probably has 10 or more.

 

That is what softproofing does. When you select Simulate Paper & Ink with metallic paper the border turns gray/silver, because thats the paper surface color. Since there is no white ink, the image, which may have lots of white in your LR display, can't show white. Similarly with a warm surface paper.

 

https://www.xrite.com/service-support/faq_what_is_and_why_should_you_softproof

 

https://luminous-landscape.com/understanding-soft-proofing/

 

Edit - I was preparing and posted this at the same time frame you were posting, so I hadn't seen your most recent post. Do you have some glossy white paper you can try printing on to eliminate the effect of the metallic paper?

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

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Re: Color cast with print profiles for Canon Pro 1000 on Windows 10

Yes, I have done that. I printed on some other glossy papers, Hahnemuehle and Canson. It's the same with these as well.

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If your softproof results on good white paper are off then I would suggest you contact your Canon support line and discuss with them.

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I have an update.

I re-calibrated my monitor using the XRite-ColorMunki a number of times, and also read and measured prints for paper profiling purposes. None of this helped, and I had consistent color mismatches, where the prints are just much warmer than what is shown on the screen. I have contacted Canon support, and they just sent me an email with instructions on how to prevent double-profiling. 

 

I have also installed the printer on my son's Macintosh, and calibrated the Mac's screen. Perfect color match on all the prints from the get go. Not even worth reading the prints for profiling.

 

Considering the severity of mismatch in the color temperature on my Windows 10 PC, it must be either my screen or the graphics card. I am concerned that if I buy a new monitor, I might experience the same mismatch, as I wouldn't know how to make adjustments to the graphics card then.

 

Maybe I should switch to a Mac. Worth mentioning that the Mac's driver printed the images in about 4 minutes, where the PC's driver printed them in 2 minutes.

 

 

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Hi Andreas. Looks like you established that your printer is functioning properly.

 

On your W10 computer, what monitor are you using? Does it have preset settings? My monitor has a number of settings I can select - sRGB, AdobeRGB, D50, D65 and Calibration. When I use the xRite calibrator I select the Calibration option. If I select sRGB then the monitor ignores my calibration and using the built-in sRGB profile. Does your monitor allow for this?

 

My monitor also came with an ICC profile file. It is a factory profile, not based on the actual profiling of my display, so it would be close but probably not 100% accurate.

 

On your computer, go to the Control Panel and in the search box type "colo". You should get a choice for Color Management. Select that.

 

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Check the Use My Settings option. This will ensure that the display is using your profile. In my case the profile I created is #1 and the factory profile is #2. If you see a factory profile for your monitor try using that to minimize variables. Also check the monitor manual to see how to reset to factory settings.

 

The Mac printer driver automatically configures the driver to avoid double profiling. You need to do that manually on a Windows machine.

 

Here are the steps to do that.

 

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My other suggestion would be to use Canon paper and the factory Canon ICC profiles for the paper to minimize variables.

 

 

John Hoffman
Conway, NH

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Re: Color cast with print profiles for Canon Pro 1000 on Windows 10

What lights are you using to view your prints under? If the CRI is under 95 you may be experiencing some metamerism.
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