02-05-2014 04:11 PM
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, the zs20 and tz30 are the same models, the name is different depending on the country.
I was aware of the potential dust issue from my research. We are treating that as a risk and will be extra careful or not use the camera in situations where there is a lot of particulate in the air.
One of the reasons we went for the ZS20 instead of the newer Panasonic models was partially due to the dust risk. ZS20 is currently $160US, so much less painful then $350-$450 if we do have some issue.
I did see that youtube cleaning video, which was very cool for him to put together. My recollection is that- unfortunately - his process applies to older Panasonics, and the ZS20 or newer models have a lens that is much more difficult to get at. Cleaning still might be possible, but much trickier. (Unless there is a more recent video that I am unaware of.)
Anyway, knowing all that, we still love the camera. Very fast focus, love the burst shooting. Can shoot stills while shooting movies. 20x zoom is great. Stabilization is amazing. Don't like the in-camera charging, but I'll be buying an external charger eventually. Has a panorama mode, but haven't tried it yet.
Sorry for hijacking this thread!!!! Let's get back to SX280 woes now!!!!
02-06-2014 09:24 AM
Sorry to hear about your printer experience. My SX280 is bad, but my printer MX895 has been a dream. Yes the tanks are small, but I refill them myself. Took a bit of practice, but now I can refill all five tanks is about 20 mins.
Off topic I know. Apologies.
02-06-2014 12:28 PM
It's 'I' who should do the apologising for bringin the subject up, you guy's just responded to my post - I'm the guilty one here.
Back on topic... what they'er gonna do with all the SX280? Many reviews I read there's always complaints and many being returned either back to canon or place of purchase.
02-06-2014 12:59 PM
I have no idea what Canon will do. They have a problem with a relatively inexpensive item. Yes we spent bucks for the camera, but they make much less than that. My guess is that they have found the problem. (It is not a battery problem.) They sat down and calculated the hit they would take to their reputation and balanced that off against the hit they take to the bottom line. Whatever equation they used came up on the side of having customers upset and perhaps not buying more Canon equipment. A recall would be very expensive. Moreover it would also tarnish the reputation. Since every customer who bought one would find out about the problem, the hit to their reputation might be even worse than stonewalling.
It could also be a middle or higher level manager who refuses to admit there is a problem because it would make him or her look bad. I have worked under and with such people. Perhaps you have as well. Like all large companies, Canon would likely have their share of managers who will do anything to cement their position in the company at the expense of the client.
Pure speculation on my part.
I am certain that this is not a battery problem. Almost every poster talks about the problem recurring with Canon branded replacement batteries. Also taping the middle contact "fixes" the battery depletion warning. This means that the problem cannot be a battery problem. It is in the sensor or in the downstream software or hardware.
02-06-2014 02:17 PM
The way the battery monitor works is they measure the 'end voltage', as soon has it monitors a drop in the terminal voltage off it goes there isn't anything magical about this.
Whatever it is it's seeing the end voltage pretty quickly but yet will continue in still mod after a repower - namely a reset. To flatten a 3.7V Li-ion in a few minutes gotta be drawing a hefty lot of current in video mode.
Probably Canon ul let Del Boy buy em' on cheap!
02-06-2014 08:20 PM
Good thought. The problem could be an underdesigned battery that cannot maintain voltage under heavy load. It would also explain the heating that some report. I don't think the battery becomes fully depleted in 20 seconds of video recording. Many of the reports say the camera will run fine in still mode for extended periods after getting the automatic shutdown in video mode. My experience is exactly that.
As a science experiment it would be interesting to hook up a much larger battery to see if the problem goes away. (Yes this is Canon's responsibility not mine. But interesting nonetheless.)
That might also explain Canon's silence about the problem. To correct the problem, they would have to replace every camera sold so far with a redesigned camera. One with a bigger battery. That would be expensive for the company.
02-06-2014 09:20 PM - edited 02-06-2014 09:24 PM
OK, as I have used this camera:
It is not a battery issue, it is a camera issue, battery is FULLY charged when the indicator blinks and will remain fully charged after you take several pictures and videos (even with the shut down on video).
You can try all the batteries you want, the indicator will come on within the first few minutes - with CANON and non-CANON batteries the camera failed to record.
Most people that reviewed this camera did not even bother to record more than a few minutes and concentrated on the picture taking side of it. This is what I noticed from Amazon and BB.
What you can do if you must keep this defective camera and want to keep on video recording: do the trick with covering the middle metal clamp of any brand battery that is available for this camera and the camera will record and record and record - it does get HOT though and you won't know how much juice you have left. When charging it I think you need to uncover the middle clamp.
If you are not happy with this defective product and want to return it as I did, you better hurry up.
I recommend getting the SONY HX50V (battery lasts and lasts and lasts, 20 MP resolution, 30X zoom, feels very sturdy, takes good pics (much better I think than the defective CANON), great video and the best stabilization I have seen in this category, but it costs $299 (if you find it higher just wait a few days and they will drop the price again) .
And this is my last posting on this topic, have a great evening, goodbye all
02-10-2014 04:54 PM - edited 02-10-2014 04:55 PM
I, my friends and my family don't believe and trust anymore on Canon. That company doesn't respect their costumers.... Bye bye Canon