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canon lenses help please

hello im new to this my brother has autism and he got a canon eos 1300d for xmas he has a 75 to 300mm lens

he wants a bigger in with auto focus
800mm or higher ive seen some manual 800mm ones for £190 but need auto as he can do manual

can someone please help in recommending one dosent matter on brand aslong as it fits

250 budget
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Re: canon lenses help please

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Greetings and welcome. 

 

You cannot buy anything of real worth, quality or value in the 800mm range for 250 dollars, pounds, euros, etc. Just a fact, not trying to be funny or offensive.  But if you want to try..  you'll need a T Mount lens and adapter.  Finding something with AF..  good luck

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I should start out by saying... I'm really wondering why you want an 800mm focal length.  Not many photographers would use this and more focal length is not necessarily better.  It comes with a lot of limitations.  The most popular focal length range for photographers who want "long" lenses tends to be the various 150-600mm zoom lenses.

 

You'll find that what you are looking for at the $250 budget doesn't exist... but there's a good reason for it.

 

Lenses have to maintain something called a "focal ratio".  The ratio is simply the focal length of the lens (in your case 800mm) vs. the diameter of clear aperture (the area where light can pass through and into the camera.)

 

For example, if we had a lens with a 100mm focal length, but the largest possible clear aperture in that lens was 25mm across, then that lens has a ratio of 1:4 but it's usually written as f/4,

 

They can't effectively just increase the focal length to 800 and do nothing with the aperture size... because a longer lens at 800mm without changing the aperture size (leaving it at 25mm) would result in a best case focal ratio of f/16... which doesn't allow much light to pass into the camera (it could only be used in maybe sunny daytime conditions).

 

About this time, you might be thinking... just make the lens have a bigger diameter.   It turns out that's basically what the camera company has to do... so to maintain (say that f/4) focal ratio, they'll scale up the diameter.  But now each piece of otptical glass is 4x wider... but it's ALSO a lot thicker.

 

This thickness creates a new problem... light "bends" when it passes through the glass (thats how the lens focuses the image).  It turns out different "wavelengths" of light (colors of light) bend by a different amount.  "blue" light bends more than "green" light which bends more than "red" light.   This creates a new problem where not all the colors of light come into focus at the same distance and you end up with an poor quality image. 

 

This problem of the lens acting like a prism and splitting the light up into different wavelengths is called "dispersion" and it results in an image in which objects have color fringing ... they call that "chromatic aberration" (often abbreviated as "CA").

 

So to fix this, the camera maker has to do a few things.

 

#1  they try to find types of "glass" that still have excellent refractive properties... but minimize the "dispersion" problem.  

 

These low-dispersion types of glass are sometimes made out of exoctic materials (fluorite crystal is popular) which drive up the cost.  But what really drives up the cost is that you can't find fluorite crystal in a pure enough form in nature to produce a lens.  But you can "grow" crystals in a kiln.  But it takes MONTHS to grow a crytal large enough to produce a lens.  If you try to speed up the process, you end up with optical imperfects imbedded within the crystal structure which makes it worthless for use as an optical lens.  So this has to be done slowly.

 

#2  they add in even more glass elements.  As the initial lens element starts to focus the light (but causes optical problems), additional glass elements in the lens can try to re-merge the wavelengths back together again.  But this means you have a lens with many more elements than the smaller size lens.

 

What you're left with is a combination of an extra big lens... made with exoctic glasses which take a very long time to produce AND you need many more of these elements.  The lenses become very expensive and that creates an economic problem becuase all the equipment/machinery, factor floor space, people, etc. are producing the more common lenses for millions of customers... these massive lenses have even more expensive machinery but are only producing the lenses for a handful of customers.  That means a much larger chunk of the cost of overhead has to go into the price of each lens... making them even MORE expensive.  

 

Canon's 800mm f/5.6 lens is.... $12,999.00!!  (no kidding)

 

So that's obviously not in the budget.

 

 

 

Sigma makes a 300-800mm f/5.6 zoom lens which has the bargain price of merely $7,999.00.  That's a $5000 savings off the price of the Canon lens... but still obviously out of budget.

 

 

 

You're not necessarily stuck without any options.  There are some alternatives.

 

One option is to change your requirements.... the most common "long" focal length lenses tend to be 150-600mm zoom lenses.  Both Sigma and Tamron make these lenses... the "cheap" ones tend to be around $800... the "expensive" ones tend to be around $2000.  That's over your budget (but a LOT less expensive than the 800mm lenses.)

 

 

There is a category of lens commonly called a "mirror lens" because of the optical design.  The lens primarily focuses the light using a spherical mirror at the back of the lens (with a hole in the middle) and this focuses light inward (and back to the front), where it hits yet another mirror... that further focuses the light and sends it back through that hole and into the camera.  There is a single glass element called a "corrector plate".  Since the lens has 1 "glass" lens element and 2 "mirror" elements, it's called a "compound" lens (you'll find the word "catadioptric" which just means it uses both lenses and mirrors to focus the light).  

 

These things are shockingly cheap ... but they come with limits.

 

1.  They must be MANUALLY focused (there is no auto-focus).

2.  You cannot adjust the aperture... it's a fixed aperture lens.

 

I am not specifically aware of any of these with a focal length above 500mm... not in a camera lens design anyway.

 

But the advatnage is these things tend to be in the $100-250 price range... so NOW we're in a category that fits in your budget (but it's not 800mm and it's manual and you can't control the aperture.)

 

You can buy a catadiatropic telescope spotting scope and attach a camera to it.  But these will likely be even more than 800mm (e.g. a Celestron C90 is in your price range but it's 1250mm)

 

BTW, at 800mm you absolutely must use a tripod.  You'd never be able to hold the beast steady enough to get a clean shot that didn't have blur caused by camera movement during the shot.

 

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Re: canon lenses help please


@Daniel218wrote:
hello im new to this my brother has autism and he got a canon eos 1300d for xmas he has a 75 to 300mm lens

he wants a bigger in with auto focus
800mm or higher ive seen some manual 800mm ones for £190 but need auto as he can do manual

can someone please help in recommending one dosent matter on brand aslong as it fits

250 budget

There are a number of brand names selling similar lenses, all manual focus, all difficult to use. A good and ROBUST tripod is mandatory, because of how for off-center the weight will be distributed.  They are hard to use because of the very limited range of the focus ring [1/4 of a full turn], and the super long focal length.

Unfortunately, there are no auto focus lenses in your budget range.  And, the manual focus lenses are difficult to use.

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Re: canon lenses help please

he as autism and is facinated by taking pictures of planes and the moon
im all niew to this so i dint understand fully
i said to him though that the lenses he got is enuff really for now
you make alot of sense in whst you said
good advice thankyou
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Re: canon lenses help please

thankyou ill look into those options
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Re: canon lenses help please

For $1000 you can get one of the 600mm zooms and the moon will look like this: full frame with a crop frame camera like yours.

 

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Re: canon lenses help please

thats great ill look into it to be hinest wgat hes git really is enuff in my boom takes some great pics evan the moon he takes it then zooms in on the picture
he only 12
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can you help me i dont kniw what a t mount lens is used for
ive looked at this:
Opteka 500mm / 1000mm f/6.3 Telephoto Mirror Lens for Nikon  [Mod Note: Removed llink per Forum Guidelines]
does a tmount lents n adapter go onto my origonal lens to make it further

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Re: canon lenses help please

I would not buy that lens.  It is a cat lens.  It is manual everything.  Unless you know what you are doing this lens will be difficult to use.

However it can be done.  Lots of folks do use them.  IQ will be poor but that is almost a given with its price point.

 

Save your money for one of the Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm super zooms.  Even look used if money is too tight.

 

If you just want a prime look at the Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM Lens.  It is light-years better than the one you are considering.  Fantastic IQ and auto everything.  It is a super popular lens so the used market on it is great.  Way better idea.

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