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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

My point is this.  You make absolute statements based on your personal experience.  We ALL make statments on our own personal experience unless we can quote a study with academic rigor to support it.  When I make statements I qualify them as my own opinion, I don't lay them down as a law.

 

I HAVE had equipment damaged (particularly by others) where the filters and hoods have saved gear, filters have been shattered but the front element stayed intact, lens hood curshed but saved the lens. So MY point is that my experience is just as valid as yours.  What I don't do is demean your experience by claiming a monopoly on common sense.   I equate it to us all having different experiences and situations.


@Lumigraphics wrote:

@Tronhard wrote:

On the common sense side it is good to recognize that most of the members of this and other fora are not professional and thus do not have access to those professional resources: both financial and technical, for quick turn-around of damaged gear.  For them an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


Hence my point that I have owned numerous systems over the last 36 years, shot hundreds of thousands of photos, and never had a damaged lens because I didn't use a filter.

I have left a lens in a park where it was stolen, and knocked a lens off a table onto a cement floor which damaged the mount and decentered it. A filter wouldn't have helped in either case.


 

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

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I have left a lens in a park where it was stolen, and knocked a lens off a table onto a cement floor which damaged the mount and decentered it. A filter wouldn't have helped in either case.

I too have taken hundreds of thousands of photos using multiple systems, and in the 38 years of my experience neither of the situations you quote is relevent to the damage prevention offered by a hood or a lens filter as your lens must have been detached from the camera body and hit at the mount end to decentre it.  When a lens is on a camera, especially a heavy lens, the lens' front is most likely to take the impact and that is where the protection comes in - which will involve the mass of both the lens and the camera body.

 

I take care of my gear, and I have never left gear and I have never myself damaged gear because I was trained that way from the beginning.  There is no point in depending on Canon's service centres when you are hundreds of miles from civilization in the Canadian Arctic or the middle of the African Congo.  To me it's common sense to avoid the situation to begin with.

 

In all cases it has been someone else's actions that have done the damage to my gear.  An airport security officer dropping my camera at the scanner (totally destroyed the filter but the front element was saved), a child bashing my camera with his toy (the hood took the hit and not the front element), a corrupt official demanding a pay-off to keep my gear - swinging my cameras around and repeatedly hitting a wall - both hood and filter were damaged.  I have had hot metal hit the front filter while photographing in a foundary.  In all cases my gear survived and I could work and that's what it's all about in the end.

 

 


 

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?


@Lumigraphics wrote:

Yes its obvious from these and other photography forums that common sense is in short supply. Often, I'm one of the very few who has it.


Thank you for pointing that out. We'll try to do better in the future.

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

"In all cases it has been someone else's actions that have done the damage to my gear."

 

I will bet the OP has never been a child photographer. Ever had ketchup smeared on the front element?  Thank heaven for the protecto filter.

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?


@Lumigraphics wrote:

With multiple lenses it can get awfully expensive to buy different sizes of filters, especially high quality filters, and this is a recommendation that wastes people's money.

 

US$76 for 77mm which three of my zooms use. So there is $228 for filters that are unneeded.


You are paying too much for filters.  I buy B+W 77mm Clear filters at B&H for much less.  

 

How often do you have to clean your lenses?  I would much rather clean a $50 filter than the prime element of a $2000 lens.

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

You guys do what you will, this reminds me of DPR and the posterbators there. LMAO.

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

WHat does that mean?  Smiley Frustrated

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

WHat does that mean?  Smiley Frustrated



I fear we have not given the appropriate respect and obediance for this gentleman's obviously superior experience and common sense, gently administered as pearls of wisdom...   I am sure we will all miss his tolerant tone, incluse, and collegial approach to differing opinions and experiences.

 

In the meantime I think the rest of us lesser mortals can say that under many circumstances lens protection (be it by filter, hood or both) is may be worth the cost vs. the risks and if used appropriately should not pose an undue degradation of images.  That decision is, of course dependent on the situation each photographer finds themselves in.

 

"All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris
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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

I wonder how many folks here or any forum makes a living with their camera?  I know lots of folks make some money with it but there is a big difference in making a living with it. Your whole attitude and outlook changes.  The main most reason why new people fail is that they try to keep that hobby format to the, it's a real job situation.  It goes from cameras are fun to cameras are a tool. And if it don't you are in serious trouble.

 

Everybody that plays with a camera for a short while can tell you how to use it. Not a big deal. Some are pretty good, too.  However, it is a whole different ball game when it is your livelihood. It is also amazing how many become infallible in their ways after a short while with an expensive camera. It is an expensive camera so I must be good!

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Re: Will Canon "protect" lenses hurt image quality ?

Oh, BTW, Trevor some are rude doing it.

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