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Re: Auto Focus Microadjustment - 5D III

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@Waddizzle wrote:

  Yet, Dot-Tune seems to assume and rely on the fact that focus adjustments are applied in MF mode.

Hi Waddizzle..focus adjustments are indeed applied in MF mode, at least where it is lighting up the green dot.  Otherwise this method would not have worked and it does...I've tried the traditional method and compared against dottune several times because I was a doubter...I'm no longer a doubter as you can see.

 

In this method, you started out with the correct focus and find out the focus range.  Since we are assuming there is an error in the camera auto focus, it's critical to make sure preventing the camera in focusing so you switch the lens to manual.  Luckily the green dot (telling that you are in focus) remains working when the lens is switched to MF.  The green dot will also take into account the AFMA correction so that's why this method works.

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Re: Auto Focus Microadjustment - 5D III

"Luckily the green dot (telling that you are in focus) remains working when the lens is switched to MF.  The green dot will also take into account the AFMA correction so that's why this method works." 

 

That's the part that I'm not convinced about.  You can see the AFMA data in EXIF when the lens is in AF, but not MF.  In fact, it makes sense for it not appear in MF mode, because no focus micro-adjustment should be made.

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@Waddizzle wrote:

"Luckily the green dot (telling that you are in focus) remains working when the lens is switched to MF.  The green dot will also take into account the AFMA correction so that's why this method works." 

 

That's the part that I'm not convinced about.  You can see the AFMA data in EXIF when the lens is in AF, but not MF.  In fact, it makes sense for it not appear in MF mode, because no focus micro-adjustment should be made.


I hear you and I'm not saying that adjustment is actually made to the picture while the lens is on MF...it's just the green dot is still working just fine with MF and this enables you to obtain the adjustment value.  You should try it and see for yourself Smiley Happy.

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"I hear you and I'm not saying that adjustment is actually made to the picture while the lens is on MF...it's just the green dot is still working just fine with MF and this enables you to obtain the adjustment value.  You should try it and see for yourself." 

 

Oh, I have done many times.  I think it is best to perform the calibration a few times, and use an average value of the repeated tests as the final number to enter into the camera. I use focus charts.  I've oriented the charts vertically, horizontally, and at an angle so that you can better see the DoF.  I think I'm pretty meticulous about it.

 

However, Dot-Tune just doesn't seem to yield highly repeatable results with zoom lenses, where you perform two calibrations at either end of the zoom range on some cameras, but just one calibration on some of the older cameras.  On the older cameras with just one AFMA point for both zooms and primes, there seems to be little purpose in doing a calibration with zoom lenses.

 

I think Dot-Tune may be adequate for primes, but I wonder the validity of performing the second calibration by manually focusing the lens.  It seems to me that you're creating two independent setpoints, when the cameras use them together.  There just feels like there is something inherently wrong with that picture. 

 

Pay me no mind, though.  I'm guilty of always thinking too much, anyway.

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I myself have used the traditional method...I've recently tried dottune on a prime and the result matched perfectly with my previous method that's why I've been recommending it for beginners because it takes the thinking out of AFMA.

 

AFMA is a double-edged sword though...there are just so much variables to have just one set of numbers for a lens...I was able to prove to myself that by just turning on an extra light, the AFMA number changed significantly from front to back focus...it's just nuts...the only useful AFMA that I have is on my 100mm f/2.8L IS Macro where the light I use is fairly constant...a big difference a correction of -1 makes for razor sharp IQ...On my 85mm 1.2...I was thinking about setting it back to 0...I shoot in too many lighting conditions...

 

 

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Re: Auto Focus Microadjustment - 5D III


@diverhank wrote:

 

 

AFMA is a double-edged sword though...there are just so much variables to have just one set of numbers for a lens...I was able to prove to myself that by just turning on an extra light, the AFMA number changed significantly from front to back focus...it's just nuts...

 

 



I believe your problem could be infrared related

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/focus_vs_light_source.html

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Re: Auto Focus Microadjustment - 5D III


@kvbarkley wrote:
I believe your problem could be infrared related

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/focus_vs_light_source.html


Thanks. Great article.  This was exactly what I was experiencing...until now, I thought nobody knew what I was talking about. 

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Obviously, Bob did  not know either. 8^)

 

Whiich actually makes sense when you think about it, the focus assist light on the strobes is mainly IR, so we know the phase detect is sensitive to IR. And us old geeks know that there were IR focusing marks on older lenses.

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

There's no reason you shouldn't give it a try. But I've yet to see an "L" lens that needed AFMA.


I don't know what to think of AFMA, anymore.  If it is not needed, then what about manufacturing tolerances?  Why would a company like Sigma come up with a specialized tool like Sigma Dock?  I don't know what to think of AFMA, anymore.

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Re: Auto Focus Microadjustment - 5D III

Hi Diverhank,

 

Just completed my DIY GhettoCal and will give my lenses a check this weekend. I should be able to obtain the numbers using this DIY kit (free). Hence my initial post regarding appropriate focus distance.

 

On the formula of 50 x FL, I guess I will need to focus the long side of my 70-200mm at 10m.

 

Thanks again Diverhank for your input, much appreicated. My next prime is a Simga 1.4 Art and I plan to shoot at 1.4 most of the time; I shall see if this lens needs AFMA, I also bought the USB Dock for this lens.

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