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"... the 150-500 had enough issues to scare me away from Sigma ..."

 

Well all I can say is, they are so vastly different lenses it makes no sense to think that.  Remember the Sigma company that is making the 150-600mm S and C is not the same company that made the 150-500mm.  Sigma has been reorganized since then.

 

I hear you as not too long ago I would not even touch an off brand lens.  Not one.  There were days when they were just horrible. DIdn't work well.  I have since found there are some real gems out there.  There are lenses that Canon doesn't and/or doesn't even want to make.  Then there is the cost difference.  Some of us can't afford to go Canon totally.  I still recommend buy Canon if you can but if you can't or Canon doesn't make what you want, Sigma and Tamron have stepped up.

 

I still don't buy or even recommend Tokina but I know they have a couple lenses that deserve some checking out. As of today I own no Tokina's. I am about to buy one!

 

I am a guy that has had many, many lenses over the years. I think I counted 40 the other day.  I also worked for a company that bought many, many lenses over the years.

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One thing more if you do decide on the S, try it before you buy it.  I am not kidding it is a load.

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"I still don't buy or even recommend Tokina but I know they have a couple lenses that deserve some checking out. As of today I own no Tokina's. I am about to buy one!"   

 

I have cinema versions of their lenses.  They work fairly well at HD Video resolution.  Taken with the 85mm T1.5

 

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The top panorama was created with PhotoStitch.  The second was created with LR6.

 

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That is just one shot out of a dozen of a panoramic shot.  All of the shots were long exposures taken an hour before sunrise.  With careful focusing, I can get pretty good images.

 

Ernie, I don't think you'll like the Rokinons, though.  Out of the product line, you may like the 14mm to shoot the night skies with, but that's about it.  I hope that's the one you're looking at.

 

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Here's another pre-dawn, long exposure, but taken with the 14mm and the camera angled upward 30 degrees, or so.

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Hi

 

I sore one of these sigmas 150-600 s on ebay going for around £900 I asked the seller why he had listed it saying it had some dust in it as it is suposed to be dust proof he replied no lense is dust proof but for a lense to have dust in it as it was a new lens seemed a bit strange to me.

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I sore one of these sigmas 150-600 s on ebay going for around £900 I asked the seller why he had listed it saying it had some dust in it as it is suposed to be dust proof he replied no lense is dust proof but for a lense to have dust in it as it was a new lens seemed a bit strange to me.


Which version of the lens, Contemporary or Sport?  Actually, they both claim to have "splash and dust proof mount", whatever that means.  It sounds like it might be the connection to the camera, but what about the rest of the lens? 

 

Ernie says the Sport is good to go.  I don't see the engineers giving the Contemporary model weather sealing on par with the Sport model, because it could usurp sales of the Sport.  What edge would the C have over the S, if the weather sealing were equal? 

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It was the sport I was looking at buying one until I got a good deal on the canon but I watched sigmas own video on the lens where they test it in a dust chamber and the lens he was selling had dust in it I asked the seller why it got  dust as the lens has been out for les than one year he said no lens is dust proof. So perhaps the sigma claim is a big lie.

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If a lens zooms, it will have some dust get in it.  Minor dust inside a lens is of little concern.  The older ef 100-400mm got a bad rap for dust getting inside.  But in reality it is not any worse at it than any other zoom lens.  People saw the pump action as more of a "dust pump".  Totally false. More from the idiots that write reviews without actually using the gear they write about.  All zoom lenses move inside whether you twist them or slide them or pump them.

 

On the Sigma S the rear element moves as it zooms.  Dust is going to get in there!  This is common in the way most zooms are made not just the S.

 

The Sigma S is all metal.  The C is mostly plastic as is the Tamron.  The C doesn't have anywhere near the weather resistance that the S has.  It isn't even as good as the Tamron in sealing which is also mostly plastic. IMHO, choosing between the Sigma C and the Tamron, the Tammy is slightly better.

 

I am not going to test it myself but I think the Sigma S could withstand being left out in the rain.  Even a hard rain.  Not simply being splashed upon!

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"I have cinema versions of their lenses. ... Taken with the 85mm T1.5"

 

As I generally do, I refrain from commenting on lenses I have never personally used, so I can't comment on any of these (video lenses).  Your shots look great.  How much is you and how much is the lens?  Who knows but you certainly have it nailed down.

 

I really have no bone to pick with Rokinon except there apparent lack of a QC department.  I find that if you get a good one, you get a good one!  However getting a good one is sometimes more difficult then it might seem.  Admittedly this is hearsay from my Astro buds.  I never have actually tried but they all say it takes two or three or four times. I am surprised B&H and/or Adorama are so forgiving on this matter.  They must realize it is the way it is from the get go.

 

I am looking at a Tokina, the AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX Lens.  Just haven't pulled the trigger.  Still got a bad taste in my mouth from them.   Not to mention Tokina's total lack of any sort of a customer support or repair department.  But of course CPS can spoil you on that topic.  They rule with no peers. I probably won't get it in Canon mount.  Don't want to disgrace any of my 1 series! Smiley Wink

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"As I generally do, I refrain from commenting on lenses I have never personally used, so I can't comment on any of these (video lenses).  Your shots look great.  How much is you and how much is the lens?  Who knows but you certainly have it nailed down." 

 

The primary difference between the cinema (non-DS) and still lenses are the "declicked" aperture rings.  The other major difference is the T-rating and F-Stop ratings.  With careful setup in LiveView, I can get pretty good images from them.  What I liked the most about them is that they are inexpensive and FAST.  I bought them when all I had was a T5.  The posted images were shot with the 6D.

 

"I am looking at a Tokina, the AT-X 16-28mm f/2.8 Pro FX Lens.  Just haven't pulled the trigger.  Still got a bad taste in my mouth from them.   Not to mention Tokina's total lack of any sort of a customer support or repair department. " 

 

That one?  I just knew you were looking at a prime. I looked at that one, and passed it up for the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM for the dust and water sealing.  I didn't think the Tokina had any sealing at all.  i had questions about the use of filters with that lens, too.

 

[edit] I'm not gong to make a decision on another long lens for several weeks, BTW.  I have never been the birding type.  Since the 1980s, I traveled a lot and saw a lot of sights.  So, I took pictures of the sights.  I've been taking shots of seagulls to learn how to shoot birds.  It's challenging fun.

 

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"I just knew you were looking at a prime."

 

No not looking at a prime.  The main reason, I already have the best made primes so no point itn looking elsewhere. (35mm Art, 50mm f1.2L and 85mm f1.2L)    I am likely out of the prime business for awhile at least.

 

"I looked at that one, and passed it up for the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM for the dust and water sealing."  

 

As stated I would not get it for Canon.  I agree in principle the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM is the better lens but I would get the Tokina for my Nikons.  The Nikkor in this class is very expensive and may not be any better.  Nikkor lenses are real iffy. You have to be very careful choosing one of them.  Lots of plastic in the new "G" series. And made in China.

 

"i had questions about the use of filters with that lens, too."

 

You can't use any filters on that Tokina.  Filters are mostly obsolete anyway so that is no biggie.  I can't remember the last time I used a filter for effect.

 

There is no point you can come up with where that Tokina measures up to a Canon lens.  It simply is not possible.  Not even in the same zip code or time zone for that matter.  The clunky clutch for switching from AF to MF?  The mediocre build?  And good luck getting ti serviced?  Now you know why I haven't done it.

 

"I didn't think the Tokina had any sealing at all." 

 

There isn't any.  If there was the ad department would have bragged on how good it was.  They always exaggerate the facts by at least 3 times!

 

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