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@RobertTheFat wrote:

@ScottS wrote:

 

Thanks for your insights, Bob!

How do you like the 5D4? Any specific improvements from the 5D3 that you consider game-changers? I've been wondering about which of those two to choose if I go "up" in my FF arsenal. Seems the pricing is almost unbelievably similar these days. I've seen a difference of around $300 typically!

 

Scott S


Actually there is one, which was completely unexpected. (I guess I didn't read the specs carefully enough.) The 5D4 displays a full-time electronic level in the viewfinder that warns you if you have the horizon tilted or if you're pointing the camera up or down. Previous cameras that I've owned had an electronic level, but you had to let it take over the LCD screen (clumsy) or rely on tilting of the red autofocus squares (hard to read accurately). I think the new feature is a big improvement.

 

It's also nice to be able to synchronize the time with your computer via WiFi instead of plugging in a USB cable, but that's not in the same class with the level.


Thanks for sharing this tech feature, Bob! 

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

Scott S,

"I own a Canon 6D and a 40D"

 

You are replacing the 40D, right?  The 80D is the way to go if you are. You would rather go all FF? And you "love" your 6D, the 6D MK II is the way to go.  It looks like you already have your answers don't you?

 

After doing photography for a full lifetime, let me tell you nobody hits all the time.  Everybody has "throw aways" no matter what gear you use. With today's current crop of photographic gear there are no really bad choices and no perfect choices.  Also, don't buy into the ole inner web hype you have to have a certain camera for a certain subject.  


Hi Ernie!

How are you? Always appreciate your wisdom AND your direct approach. I can tell you are a true photographer, and a man of his word. You named my exact quandary. Needs answering by me, yours truly. If I am replacing the Canon 40D, then as you suggest it would seem the Canon 80D is a solid "answer."

 

If I am wanting to upgrade and love the Canon 6D, it seems that a 6D2 may be a solid "answer."

 

That is my challenge point. At this moment ($$$ not even the issue, which it is for now but eventually will not be, because I will wait until I can follow my heart, no matter which way I go)

 

You are a pro. You possess a 1DX and a 1D Mark IV. Clearly gear HAS been a consideration for you. But I could not agree more ~ because I have a ton more experience as a photographer than I did the last time I posted on the Canon Forum last year. It's the photographer, not the gear, that makes the shot.

 

Within reason of course. But a photographer with tons of skill who has the gear to "allow" for the creative and great shot: can make a huge difference, too. Not sure I'm there yet. My senior portraits turned out great! But I did have throw aways. I appreciated your comment about that. Very reassuring. Sincerely, thank-you! It's easy to think it's just ourselves, but others have those "toss out pics, too!"

 

You have gone up, up, up to the 1D Level. It's hard for me to answer this question: Would moving "up" to the 5D series get me thinking in new ways, trying new things, and advance my photography at a higher level? Perhaps not. But perhaps so. I can honestly say that my 40D has captured some of my best images. But when I went FF to my 6D, I started seeing things in new ways, and had opportunities that I had not had with the 40D. And to be honest, my photography went way up. Most of my best images now are with that FF.

 

So...back to you (thanks for letting me philosophize in front of you Smiley Wink!!). Your move "up" to the 1D's must have impacted your photography at levels that I am nowhere near at this point as a hobbyist (impassioned) photographer. I know I'm not "ready" or "worthy" of the 1D level of technology, because I wouldn't understand its nuances yet. 

 

So for Scott S, the question seems to be "readiness" as well as "Jing$$$." 

 

But in your opinion: The Canon 80D is solid? The Canon 6D2 is solid?

 

Thanks for your time, Ernie!

 

All my Best!

Scott S Smiley Happy

 


I think you get the point. Better equipment will make any photographer better, but how much better depends on how good the photographer already is. The better one already is, the more difference better equipment makes. If an inexperienced photographer buys better equipment, the effect may take longer to show up; but it may enable him/her to go longer before upgrading again.


Hey Bob! And that is exactly my thought! Grow INTO or learn MORE through adding to the possibilities! So many good thoughts on this thread! Using what we already own, and savoring that ~ is solid. "Risking" growing through the addition of features as well as our own photographic skills ~ is solid. Both paths work, it seems to me!

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@Tronhard wrote:

I have watched this with interest and have only a couple of comments.

 

1. You can't expect to get 100% or anywhere near that if you are picky about your photos, especially the less control you have over the shooting environment.  I don't do portraits (which is why I held back), but I do wildlife and that has a success ratio because of the light and the movement of the animals - it can be quite challenging getting a full-grown grizzly to cooperate!

 

2. I agree that if you are seeking to upgrade both bodies and you have a FF and a crop body, and if that format works for you, then I would go with the 80D (it's a great camera it too has a full-time level).  I am not familiar with the 6D2 so will leave that to others.  I do have a 5dIII and love it.

 

3. There is some value to be had from getting a newly superceded model, if you don't need or will make use of the absolute latest tech.  Waiting until the new 7DIII or the much-touted mirrorless FF body to come out will inevitably drop the prices of the previous models, which - let's face it - are still great cameras.

 

4. Tech may make you a bit better but in the end technique trumps tech and it's free! Smiley LOL


Thanks for this share! I may hold out (#3) for now for those exact reasons. And I agree with Ernie ~ the old stuff is not LESS good when new stuff comes out. But I really am coveting the 5D III for what I've read about it Smiley Happy!!

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"... let's face it - are still great cameras."

 

How come so many people can not see this. It is like they think when a new model comes out there old one stops working. It doesn't it is still just as good as it ever was.

 

Great point!


Amen.

 

I'll let people know when my wallet starts to look fuller (metaphor, metaphor...it's all debit cards now for me!) and I make a move! Truly appreciate all the wisdom, banter, and jabber on this thread! Truly thanks to ALL of you for sharing your thoughts! 

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" I really am coveting the 5D III ..."

 

Great camera. It made me a lot of money. I am not sure, haven't checked, that it is still available new.  Maybe some NOS cameras out there, though.

EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and several lenses!
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@ebiggs1 wrote:

" I really am coveting the 5D III ..."

 

Great camera. It made me a lot of money. I am not sure, haven't checked, that it is still available new.  Maybe some NOS cameras out there, though.


Thanks for that reminder, Ernie!

I'll be checking on that!

Smiley Happy Scott S

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