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Re: More R5 info

Canon making a business decision is hardly "censoring".

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Re: More R5 info


@RobertTheFat wrote:

@John_SD wrote:

@ebiggs1 wrote:

"...our crackerjack mods deleted it almost immediately."

 

And they delete arbitrarily and with out reason. Could at least tell us why?


I asked the same question weeks ago, and in fact posted a topic that was explicitly addressed to the mods in the Subject line. 

 

It never received a reply and appears to have been deleted itself. 

 

EDIT: Actually, it did receive replies from scammers. But no mod replied to my query.


Censorship is a sore subject, at least in the U.S. Those who do the censoring are seldom willing to engage in debates about their decisions or to explain the process that led to those decisions.


I agree with you, Robert. Now, if there is obvious profanity, stalking, harrassment, spamming, hacking, outright lying about a poster, etc., then yes, those posts should be deleted and no explanation is necessary. 

 

The problem here is that there is no consistency from one mod to the next. Often, one is left wondering what rule was violated that led to a post's deletion. That's what I asked of the mods and received no response. Thus, I cannot be held to any unstated standard that they refuse to divulge. 

 

Generally, this seems to be a pretty good group, and I have seen almost nothing in the way of profanity, harrassment, etc. Yes, now and again, one of us may be a tad abrupt or snarky in our tone when dealing with an obvious fool. Big deal. That comes with any online forum and is to be expected, and shouldn't lead to post deletions. I like the forum and would like to remain a member here, but the mods could do better in their communication, especially when it is unclear why they removed a posting. 

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"I think the shutter still has some time left."

 

OK my nit-picky friend from Bean Town. I should have qualified it by specifying, a "mechanical shutter" like what is the standard in a camera like the mentioned 5D MK IV.

 

Readout rate is why some current mirrorless cameras still have a "mechanical" shutter. Readout rates will increase as technology progresses, who knows how long it will be before electronic shutters are standard. The shutter is fully electronic  when taking video even now.  Also, I don't think that many, if any, current point-and-shoot cameras have "mechanical" shutter.

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Re: More R5 info

Many are appreciative of the mechanical shutter in the Canons because it protects the sensor from dust and fingers.

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"Many are appreciative of the mechanical shutter in the Canons..."

 

Hey, man, I am not a mirrorless fan.  I doubt seriously I will ever buy a pro level mirrorless. The 1D Mk III could be my last camera ever. Mirrorless seems to be a solution to a problem we never had.

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

"Many are appreciative of the mechanical shutter in the Canons..."

 

Hey, man, I am not a mirrorless fan.  I doubt seriously I will ever buy a pro level mirrorless. The 1D Mk III could be my last camera ever. Mirrorless seems to be a solution to a problem we never had.


We'll bookmark that opinion and check back to see if you feel the same after you've had a chance to study the R5.  Smiley Wink

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Robert, "... you've had a chance to study the R5"  Ain't gonna happen! No studying, no reading about. I hope it is a brilliant success but not for me.  I have zero as in no interest in a mirrorless camera.  Probably not clear but I have no interest in a mirrorless camera.  Too old too set in my ways. Too much money to invest in another new lens format.  Already been there done that. If Canon had left the mount alone.....maybe. 

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@ebiggs1 wrote:

Robert, "... you've had a chance to study the R5"  Ain't gonna happen! No studying, no reading about. I hope it is a brilliant success but not for me.  I have zero as in no interest in a mirrorless camera.  Probably not clear but I have no interest in a mirrorless camera.  Too old too set in my ways. Too much money to invest in another new lens format.  Already been there done that. If Canon had left the mount alone.....maybe. 


The problem is, Ernie, that we remember you saying the same thing about the 1DX. ("Nothing could ever match my 1DS Mk II", etc., etc.) And do you seriously think you can resist trying out the R-mount version of the 70-200mm f/2.8 (alleged to be smaller and lighter than the original, but at least as sharp)? I can assure you that I do not. You might as well prepare yourself for the inevitable.

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@RobertTheFat wrote:

@ebiggs1 wrote:

Robert, "... you've had a chance to study the R5"  Ain't gonna happen! No studying, no reading about. I hope it is a brilliant success but not for me.  I have zero as in no interest in a mirrorless camera.  Probably not clear but I have no interest in a mirrorless camera.  Too old too set in my ways. Too much money to invest in another new lens format.  Already been there done that. If Canon had left the mount alone.....maybe. 


The problem is, Ernie, that we remember you saying the same thing about the 1DX. ("Nothing could ever match my 1DS Mk II", etc., etc.) And do you seriously think you can resist trying out the R-mount version of the 70-200mm f/2.8 (alleged to be smaller and lighter than the original, but at least as sharp)? I can assure you that I do not. You might as well prepare yourself for the inevitable.


I am sure that for the guys who have had a large collection of cameras, lenses and gear over the years, the mirrorless R5 may seem unnecessary, and so you could talk yourself out of it. Yes, the R5 wil be pricey, no doubt. But if you love photography and higher end cameras, why not indulge yourself if you can afford it? Use adapted lenses until you rebuild a collection of RF glass. There are some real advantages to mirrorless, especially for those of us who walk around in the outdoors all day with a brick around our necks. But if the R5 lives up to the hype, and it just might, I say go for it. 

 

I do not subscribe to the belief that one is too old or has had too many cameras to continue enjoying the hobby or new gear. I often use the example of my former neighbor. This was an elderly man who continued to drive well into his old age. And he had no points or tickets, of which he was proud. He was a lifelong automotive enthusiast, who was driving an older and larger Buick, which was becoming awkward for him to handle. Thus, his son took away the keys and parked the vehicle on his own property. Old Ben didn't protest the decision. He merely went out and bought himself a new Mustang which proved to be easier for him to handle. And he enjoys it immensely. An enthusiast to the end.  

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@kvbarkley wrote:

Many are appreciative of the mechanical shutter in the Canons because it protects the sensor from dust and fingers.


The EOS R can protect its' sensor when no lens is attached.  But that feature was not included in the EOS RP.

 

/some owners of older great whites are discovering that their lenses can focus better with the EOS R than with their DSLRs.  Mirrorless focusing means lenses that may back/front focus with a DSLR are always spot on with the EOS R bodies.  No AFMA is needed.

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