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Re: Liveview image sharper than photo (80D & 7D)

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HEY HEY HEY Waddizzle! I found the solution, you wee right! It is the Mirro Lock UP LOOOL! wtf i forgot to test that thank ou so much

 

Jut for the curiosity i will post the final result here (iso 100, mirror lock up, apperture 8.0, shutter speed 0.8, no edditing, no sharpenss applied) RAW to JPEG.

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Re: Liveview image sharper than photo (80D & 7D)

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Hey guys, i still have the problem with the moon,  for the paper it worked, but the mirror lock up is not working for the moon... the live view is way sharper still than my photo even with the mirror locked up... I will try to use a notebook and tak apicture of the liveview with the moon and the resultng photo ( maybe tomorrow )

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Re: Liveview image sharper than photo (80D & 7D)

The Moon’s current phase is at 90% Wanning Gibbous, which is almost Full.

 

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A full Moon lacks shadows, so it looks like flat mat.  A half Moon casts shadows in its’ craters.

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This was shot few days ago... what you guys think?  I've seen better resoults more sharper than this with 400mm lenses, even i had better results with my 7D in the past ( don't know how )... I've taken many pictures this day, this was the best of all of them....

 

 

ISO 160, apperture 8.0, shutter speed 1/250 - 80D + 70-200L 2.8 II + Extenso = 400mm

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This one was taken usign my 7D, it is an HDR image (i don't remember the settings i used for the 3 images merged, unfortunaly, i don't remember even the HDR settings, i never had better results than this with the 70-200 + extensor 2x) I just wanted to post this to compare... (this image was dstroyed by facebook jpeg format i don't have the original anymore couse it was lost with my old hard drive)1175433_542961955753001_1686411819_n.jpg

 

 

I know that HDR can improve some details if you make it right, but this comparasion you can see that i have taken much more details with 7D than with the 80D... (even though the 7D had a better result, the same problema i am talking about in this post happens with the 7D (which is the liveview being more sharper then the resulting image)

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I am currently testing this problem with saturn, the rings are incredibly crisp, i can totaly see them very sharp, even a shadow of the rings on the planet (i think), i have tested with jupiter too, i can see like 3 stripes and a little white spot, but whe i take the picture it is all blury...

 

I will make a simulaton of what i have saw in the screen the best i can make and the best i remember and show the result compared with the actual photo

 

iso 800, apperture 7.1, shutter 640

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and this is the liewview simulation photoshoped to look like what i've saw

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Re: Liveview image sharper than photo (80D & 7D)

Those shots of the moon are outstanding. Both are great considering the degree of difficulty. Perhaps when using live view and actually taking a shot the atmosphere has incressed in turbulance to a degree that impacts the crispness of the shots?

 

I also think an  equatorial mount should be used.

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@LVBC90 wrote:

Hey guys, i still have the problem with the moon,  for the paper it worked, but the mirror lock up is not working for the moon... the live view is way sharper still than my photo even with the mirror locked up... I will try to use a notebook and tak apicture of the liveview with the moon and the resultng photo ( maybe tomorrow )


Your posted images are highly cropped: 915 x 873; 908 x 845.  You will not see “sharp” details if you zoom in on one. My image was shot using a 7D2 and a Sigma 150-600 “C” lens, at 600mm.

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Johnw1, i was thinkin that it s probably the atmosphere, and it is in part, but this also happens with objets that are 1.5~20 meters of distance meanng the atmosphere interference is like 0%... but you are right indeed the atmosphere does some wavy like patterns, when i compare one picture of the moon to aonother, some small craters gets distorted, but the bluryness is comin fromsomewhere else (maybe the problem with my camera)

I have a friend that also has an 80D, i will test my lenses with his camera an try shooting saturn, jupier, the moon and other scenes to check this problem once and for all...
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Waddizzle, i understan the croppin does interfere with the resolution when you try to look at it in a not native resolution (zoomed)... but in the liveview mode i am already zoomed at 10x so my way of making the comprasion is not so wrong, but i understand you, thanks

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