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Re: EOS-1D X Mirrorless - EOS-R Equivlent

I doubt going back to the smaller sensor would enhance low light performance. At least not easily.
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Re: EOS-1D X Mirrorless - EOS-R Equivlent

For a given level of sensor technology, the bigger the individual receptor area, the better the low light/high ISO noise performance for the array.  This is a primary reason that a full frame sensor of the same level of sensor technology has a high ISO advantage over its APS-C counterpart which will have smaller individual receptor areas if both have the same absoulte number of individual receptors.

 

Sensor technology has experienced the same huge leaps in performance in the past 15 years that we saw in the early days of CPU performance and the performance benefits have been divided between providing both higher sensor cell density and increasing low light/high ISO performance.  I realize it wouldn't be an economically feasible market offering from a main line producer but I suspect the old 1.3X "crop" in an 8 to 10 MP offering would provide stunning sports shooting performance in a low light environment.

 

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Sensor technology has experienced the same huge leaps in performance in the past 15 years that we saw in the early days of CPU performance and the performance benefits have been divided between providing both higher sensor cell density and increasing low light/high ISO performance.  I realize it wouldn't be an economically feasible market offering from a main line producer but I suspect the old 1.3X "crop" in an 8 to 10 MP offering would provide stunning sports shooting performance in a low light environment.

 

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Canon already makes and sells such a sensor

 

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Thanks Wadizzle and I should have known that because I looked briefly at the C-100 last year when I decided to go with an dedicated video camera instead of shooting video with my 1DX bodies.  Not surprisingly it receives high marks for its high ISO performance.  

 

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Except, Rodger, it only captures at video shutter speeds, 1/2000 or slower.
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"I realize it wouldn't be an economically feasible market offering from a main line producer but I suspect the old 1.3X "crop" in an 8 to 10 MP offering would provide stunning sports shooting performance ..."

 

Go buy a good used 1D Mk IV.  I still have mine and I intend on always keeping it.

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Re: EOS-1D X Mirrorless - EOS-R Equivlent


@Waddizzle wrote:

@shadowsports wrote:

 

Make sure it has an articulating screen if/when it comes guys!


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I do some sports and wildlife photography with my 6D2, and I have never needed to use the articulating screen.  For me, the only benefit of a fully articulating screen is that I can fold away the screen for protection and storage.

 

A fully articulating screen is for s selfie stick, shooting over a crowd, shooting from a low angle, etc.  Those types of shooting scenarios do not occur very often when shooting sports, and even less so when shooting wildlife.  

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I beg to differ for wildlife cases...to get low angles on the critters, like ducks or avocets mating ... a lot of wildlife photographers right now get their cameras and tripods inches from the ground and without the articulating screens have to lie down flat with the cameras to see.  I've done it personally, often I had to lie on birds droppings to do it.   It's wonderful to be able to sit and do it with the screen.  This is where mirrorless excels because you can't do that easily with the DSLR live view...different AF method and way too slow for action.

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Getting down on the ground allows them to get closer and hide behind a camouflaged lens, too. I do not think sitting in a folding chair out in the open works well.
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As much as mirrorless doesn't appeal to me, articulating screens don't either.   Maybe less!

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Wadizzle wrote: "Except, Rodger, it only captures at video shutter speeds, 1/2000 or slower."

 

A cinema EOS body doesn't fit my needs but I find the low density, large sensor interesting.  As demand for tranditional cameras shrink, I could see a niche market for a camera built around such a sensor.  Production cost should be far lower than a high density sensor camera system (not just the sensor itself but all of the supporting hardware to handle the data) and Canon could come up with a very suitable low light camera for people who do deal with low light (i.e. lots of parents) who aren't willing to sink a ton of money into expensive bodies and a set of fast lens choices. 

 

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