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Re: DSLR 101

 

I never will be a full time professional, so I thought f2.8's would be overkill for me."

 

Have you re-read this statement?   You don't actually believe it?

 

Maybe I'm not saying what I mean correctly but I told you this when I got my 24-105 f/4L.  I said this very thing and you said not a word at that time.  I'm not saying I would'nt ever use f/2.8L's lens, nor did I say I would never buy one, least that's not what I meant.  I meant that since I did'nt feel I would ever be a full time professional Photographer (as in full time work earning a living at it), I would'nt base my collection of lens in f/2.8L's.  That, I thought, would not be cost effective since I believe I will use f/4L's and some mid grade lens most of the time.  I can rent f/2.8's or better lenses when needed, if needed.   After we discussed this all a few days ago, I decided to just make Photography a hobby, though a serious hobby...and would do jobs for pay (part time) when I got them.  I use the word Professional loosely here, in that the dictionary says a professional gets paid for their work.  I had, nor have....any illusions of ever being a top notch Pro, working full time for a living, nor doing pro bono work for magazines, Tv, movies, Art Galleries, and other full time Professional venues.  I envisioned small time stuff like weddings, sociall gatherings, graduations, etc......part time, at my leisure.

 

Am I missing something here???   Have I said something wrong???   is there something I'm over looking???   If there's something you think you should say please do, you're free to shoot from the hip.  I give what you say and your opinions the highest respect and will give dutiful attention.

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Biggs I thought Gimple was a brand.  Did'nt know it was a type of head.  What kind of head is that???

 

Thanks for the heads up on those flashes, I'll check them out.  You said alot about the value of these flashes.

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@jazzman1 wrote:

 

I never will be a full time professional, so I thought f2.8's would be overkill for me."

 

Have you re-read this statement?   You don't actually believe it?

 

Maybe I'm not saying what I mean correctly but I told you this when I got my 24-105 f/4L.  I said this very thing and you said not a word at that time.  I'm not saying I would'nt ever use f/2.8L's lens, nor did I say I would never buy one, least that's not what I meant.  I meant that since I did'nt feel I would ever be a full time professional Photographer (as in full time work earning a living at it), I would'nt base my collection of lens in f/2.8L's.  That, I thought, would not be cost effective since I believe I will use f/4L's and some mid grade lens most of the time.  I can rent f/2.8's or better lenses when needed, if needed.   After we discussed this all a few days ago, I decided to just make Photography a hobby, though a serious hobby...and would do jobs for pay (part time) when I got them.  I use the word Professional loosely here, in that the dictionary says a professional gets paid for their work.  I had, nor have....any illusions of ever being a top notch Pro, working full time for a living, nor doing pro bono work for magazines, Tv, movies, Art Galleries, and other full time Professional venues.  I envisioned small time stuff like weddings, sociall gatherings, graduations, etc......part time, at my leisure.

 

Am I missing something here???   Have I said something wrong???   is there something I'm over looking???   If there's something you think you should say please do, you're free to shoot from the hip.  I give what you say and your opinions the highest respect and will give dutiful attention.


What you're missing is that the f/4 vs f/2.8 choice depends hardly at all on whether you might turn pro and a lot on whether you plan to use your cameras indoors. Only on a camera with really good low-light performance (a 5D Mark III, for instance) is an f/4 lens adequate for event photography indoors. If you're going to embark on the kind of events you mention above, you're going to need indoor lenses.

 

BTW, if you think weddings are "small time (i.e., easy) stuff", you are seriously mistaken. Weddings are a very specialized skill, and even reasonably experienced event photographers like me tend to avoid them altogether. (As it happens, I could do a better job than the doofus who photographed my daughter's wedding, but that's beside the point.) Wedding photographers have some of the pickiest clients on the planet. The risk of screwing up can be high and the consequences costly. If you choose to ignore this advice, don't say you weren't warned.

Bob
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"The risk of screwing up can be high and the consequences costly."

 

And I mean this is an understatement.  You have no idea and don't want to know. A new bride does not understand failure. For some this is a once in a life time occasion. "Sorry my flash didn't work." No matter how you plead!  Or, "My SD card got corrupted."  Really?  There are no redo's.  High stress, high pressure and a ton of work.  To top it off, after you spend several hours shooting a few thousand shots, you get to spend many more hours editing them.  Plus in some cases printing them.

 

"Biggs I thought Gimple "gimbal" was a brand." 

 

No it is not.  It is a type head and the best most of the time but not always.  Just like everything else in, it has its best uses.

 

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I won't repeat the rest of what Bob from Boston said because he said it very well.

EB
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Thanks Bob,  

 

I was not aware of this.  Least not the way you've put it.  Maybe because I'm still a rookie, maybe because I don't attend very many weddings....for that matter have'nt attended that many weddings in all my life.   The ones I have, which have'nt been recent, I don't remember seeing anybody runnning around with telescopes on their cameras.   The park I go to and shoot everyday have many events photographed there.    I see peepswith Camera's walking couples, groups, and families round the park taking pre-event pics with normal camera/lens just like mine (it is in daylight though) all the time.   So Bob, no I was not aware of this, and glad you were kind enough to step in and tell me.  But then again why would I know this.   I'm new to DSLR's and still much a rookie in the game of serious photography.        I do know that f/2.8's are better in low light than f/4's.   And I knew for alot of indoor stuff I would probably need more external lighting with my f/4's.  But did'nt think till now the issues you've just brought to light would effect my overall plans.  I said that when needed I would rent f/2.8's.   Had'nt thought much that having a camera such as the 5D Mark lll would be so very important in the equastion.   It does give me pause for thought and guess I may have to re-think my overall plan.       At this point though Bob it's all very mute, cause I'm nowhere at the point of doing anything but learning, and getting better with my photography.  This and other stuff are things I have to learn in my growing process.  Right now a business is only a dream and way off in the distance in my game plan.  But this conversation brings home some things previously said (by you & Biggs), and makes alot of stuff click that  have been puzzles in my mind.  Even a few things Biggs has said that made no sense to me till now.  To be honest the only time I have seen those big heavy lens is with my club on meet outtings and most of the peeps that have those lens are just hobbiest like me, taking wildlife pics of birds and such.  I see alot of those big heavy lens on ocassions with my club members, but rarely have I seen anyone I thought Pro's doing work on the job with them.  In any event as I grow and learn I'll make adjustments to my plan accordingly.  

 

Funny though, unless you or Biggs tell me different, I can see no reason to alter the route (plan) I'm taking now.  If needed in the future if a job called for f2.8's I would get one if needed.  And since I now understand what you've said here about jobs and light, a 5D Mark lll, or better may be in my furue plans also.  And fast as tech is moving/changing today, and all the inovation and new gear coming out, the whole game may change in a few years, who knows.

 

Bob this conversation is bringing home alot of odd pieces of thought I've had in my mind that makes more sense now.

 

Thanks much my friend.

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As far as carrying heavy lenses, nobody likes to do that.  Not just you!  There are ways to help.  One is a shoulder strap like the Black Rapid.  I have several of them and they work well.  You are not really feeling the heavy camera/lens until you actually need it.

I even have a double strap and can carry two heavy cameras for hours with out fatigue.  These are far superior to the dreaded neck strap that cones with the camera.  Smiley Sad

 

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It attaches to the lens.  Not the camera.

EB
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Thank you much Obiwan, your message is coming through loud and clear.  Bob helped me understand some things and now I see the importance you've stressed to me in it all.   It's something I will surely have to consider in my plans.   But frankly Biggs this is stuff that I won't have to deal with for awhile, if at all, and I know I've told you this more than once.  I'm prepared to do whatever I have to do at every step of the way.  And if I ever become a Pro in the future I would never tackle a job I was neither prepared for, or good enough to handle.  I know weddings come in all sizes (big to small) with many variables in shooting circumstances.  Any wise Pro worth his medal should not tackle any job he's not completely qualified for.   That's qualified in equipment as well as knowledge.  I do understand what you stress about fickle brides.   Believe me I do take it all serious and will use good common sense in all I do.  I'm absobing all you teach me and believe in your knowledge and direction.  

 

Thanks for the info on the gimble head.  I've read it mentioned but my understanding was a bit foggy on it.  You do seem to be well equiped for any Photo job you had to do.  Now I'm beginning to understand just why you have all the gear you have.   It did cause me to have puzzles over a few things before now.  Now alot you've told me about all the gear you have is beginning to make more sense.

 

Yep, Bob said alot.

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BTW....I'm very surprised to hear you say you did'nt do your very own daughters wedding.  You left it to (your words) a doofus to mess it up.  Was your daughter not disappointed her very own father (who I'm sure she knows your capability with photography) would not do it???  What was your excuse????   Saying this with all due respect.

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Thanks Obiwan, but I'm ahead of you here.  I have one of these myself, but not as good as this Black Rapid Brand you have.  But mine works well also (case logic) for what I carry now.  I would need one like yours for heavier gear.  Yes, it does carry the weight of the camera better than the neck strap.   I  can see the need for the other ones you mention.  I do believe in having all the acc we need with this hobby.  I have 2 batteries, 2+ extra Class 10 SD cards (besides the one in my camera)....for ea. of my cameras (I have 3),  (2)  external mics,  2 tripods, 2 monopods, several camera bags, one sling back pack, etc.   I'm collecting all the extras I need for my gear and will add what I need as I go.  I do believe in being prepared....just so you know.

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Correction.  I don't have one of those yet, mine connects to my camera, where the tripod would go.. 

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