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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3


@kacprek wrote:

Can you describe eduardohferraz your problem with Canon 5D mark iii more acurate please?


I suggest that you start a new thread for your issue.  

No one takes perfect pictures 100% of the time.  I think you simply need more practice and experience.

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3

I simply have attached myself to this thread because I didn't wanted to describe the problems all over again, but perhaps I should to start a new one
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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3


@kacprek wrote:
I simply have attached myself to this thread because I didn't wanted to describe the problems all over again, but perhaps I should to start a new one

Starting a different thread isn't going to solve anything. The issue is that the other 5D3 users in the forum (and there are quite a few of us) haven't experienced your problem and don't know how to reproduce it. We (or at least I) think you are mis-handling your white-balance settings and that there is probably nothing wrong with your camera. If, at this point, you still don't agree, you're probably going to have to send the camera to Canon for evaluation. Without a collection of your RAW files to work with (which most of us wouldn't have time to spend on anyway), there's not a lot more we can do.

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3

You may not like this answer but it is the correct one.

 

"You need to know, you can not view a Raw file.  It has to be converted into something else.  A tiff or probably more likely a jpg. The conversion software doesn't know how to do this so it relies on the tag file, metadata, embedded in the Raw file.  In other words it reads your camera settings and that is the starting point. ... "

 

Even using two different converters, say DPP4 vs LR, you will get two different renditions.  In other words they won't look the same.  I agree with Robert entirely, lack of experience in either the camera or the post editor is most likely the reason.  You only other choice is to send it to Canon, again like Robert suggests, for a C&C.

 

Again quoting Robert, no one gets 100%.  Not even me!  Smiley Wink

 

 

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3


@kacprek wrote:
I simply have attached myself to this thread because I didn't wanted to describe the problems all over again, but perhaps I should to start a new one

I have viewed your two sample files and left comments on your dropbox.  I'm very puzzled you think there is something wrong with your picture.  The color is just about perfect out of the box for your picture.  Now the picture from the other photographer has a severe green cast for whatever reason.

 

After looking at your picture, I'm convinced that there is nothing wrong with your 5D Mark III...it's the same as mine and everyone else's.  And the 5D mark III colors are considered by most people (including non_Canon shooters) to be the most pleasing, especially for portraits.

 

This leads me to ask you a condescending question - is your monitor properly color-calibrated?  If you haven't got a color calibrator you need to invest in one ASAP.  If you have, re-calibrate it - it's off.   If you're trying to fix a picture colors with an uncalibrated color set, it's the stuff nightmares are made of.

 

Your comment about the histogram leads me to believe that you have a basic misunderstanding of histogram in general...it's useful to take a look at the Canon's link on historam... 

 

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/understanding_histograms.shtml

 

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3

You're camera doesn't look like it has a problem.  The camera wont produce an image that looks like the first photo if shot in RAW and using neutral "daylight" balanced lighting.  It appears to be either processed to look like this, or the lighting wasn't neutral.  (you can post the actual .CR2 file to dropbox if you want us to look at the real data).

 

You mentioned:  "After every photo session, there is always nightmare to me getting right colors in my photos. "

 

What software are you using to process your RAW images?

 

Processing for white balance and color saturation should not take more than a minute or two... for the entire shoot.  This is becuase many RAW workflow apps do two things:

 

#1 - they let you build a "camera profile" (many just come with a camera profile for well-known cameras, but you can customize them or build your own).

 

#2 - once you white-balance and tweak photo #1 (your reference frame from the shoot), you can "sync" those changes to the rest of the images shot in the same light.

 

This means that when you import your photos, the RAW workflow software auto-applies to the camera profile to every image upon import.  Since a camera profile can't possibly know about any local conditions (e.g. color cast in the lighting that needs a white balance tweak, etc.) you always have to do a mild tweak to the reference frame, but you "sync" those changes to the rest of the shoot.  You don't actually tweak each image one-by-one.

 

I generlly judge my images upon import and I'll take the best of them and give them localized (non-global) adjustments ... e.g. local custom cropping, maybe some sharpening, etc. etc. as needed.  I don't adjust every image.  But more importantly, I don't spend a lot of time doing the work becuase so much of it is automated.

 

But since these are RAW images, I still retain full control and can override anything.

 

 

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3


@ebiggs1 wrote:

You may not like this answer but it is the correct one.

 

"You need to know, you can not view a Raw file.  It has to be converted into something else.  A tiff or probably more likely a jpg. The conversion software doesn't know how to do this so it relies on the tag file, metadata, embedded in the Raw file.  In other words it reads your camera settings and that is the starting point. ... "  


I thought that every conversion software uses and relies on its own camera profiles rather than meta tags, the only excpetion is white balance maybe. Although in spite of that everybody is saying you can set any white balance in post processing without missing anything, I have other experiences anyway. If I set wrong white balance for exemple "sunny-daylight" color temperature and shoot the photo in shadowed place, I can do nothing in post processing because the colors will be lost for myself. I can try to set white balance temperature sliders but can't obtain right colors in this case. The example is below.

 

The Raw file as the Capture One see it, converted to jpg:

_MGL3822_one_raw.jpg

 

 And the tweaked version by me, where the white balance was set from the lump of the bright pice of model shorts and corrected a bit. The final colors I really don't like at all. I had to decrease the color saturation -10 because there was huge saturation, and I added a little bit the blue color in shadows as well.
_MGL3822_one.jpg

 


@ebiggs1 wrote:

 

 

Even using two different converters, say DPP4 vs LR, you will get two different renditions.  In other words they won't look the same. 


I know that, it is because diffrent converters use diffrent demosaic technik.

 


@ebiggs1 wrote: 

 I agree with Robert entirely, lack of experience in either the camera or the post editor is most likely the reason.


That's why I need some help and want to find a solution for me Smiley Wink

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3

Your monitor colors are completely off. Either that or your color preference is very different from most of us...the top one looks perfect to me...I wouldn't even bother to correct anything.  Your revised version is totally green and blue...horrible.

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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3

Thanks for you opinion Smiley Happy But in the real world the hedge was not so green yellow as on the first photo and the white balance in camera is set to sunny day as I said although I was shooting in shadowed place. Maybe your right the picture is to much green and blueish now but this is wb just from the picker. What kind of display do you use to watch my photos?
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Re: Color Problem with 5D Mark 3

Your pictures of people on Flickr have so vivid colors and I like it very much. What do you do to obtain such so vibrant colors on your photos?
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