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Registered: ‎01-13-2015

Re: 7D Mark II

MichaelTheMaven's latest Youtube episode

Canon 7Dii vs Samsung NX-1 Epic Shootout

pointed out that some 7D2 may have focusing issue.

 

http://youtu.be/GmlzqAy5Q68

 

and in the CR, there are some discussions about the same thing.

 

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=7fb68a1327eea6c7de5118cffe8ab55d&topic=24665.ms...

 

 

 

 

Fay
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Registered: ‎11-23-2014

Re: 7D Mark II

All of my lens are older. My understanding is that there isn't problems with new lens on new camera. But, that said I needed to microadjust my lens to my camera. I had to clean the contacts on the lens. I had to learn the LensAlign system and the Focusing software which took a little trial and error. I ended up shooting tethered to a laptop which speeded the process up. I also found that there was what I am calling a "burn in" phase. In otherwords the more I shot the more details showed up. Probably the contacts adjusting to each other. Yes I would have been nice to slap the lens on the camera and get perfect results the first time. But, when you are putting 90's equipment together with 2014 equipment you really can't expect it to be a match made in heaven, it may only get you to the gate where you need to have a discussion with the big man.

 

The system is working. My current questions regards the noise and grain with the Mark II I think it is worse than the ID and 5D, but that is subjective at this point I need to do some side by side comparsion.

 

I hope this helped. Fay

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Re: 7D Mark II

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darmet,

What you did actually told you nothing.  Read this....Lens is soft

EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV, even less and less other stuff.
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Posts: 4
Registered: ‎01-20-2015

Re: 7D Mark II

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ebiggs1: If I have to recalibrate every lens I own in order to use them with a new camera, it would be a first, and might in itself dissuade me from changing bodies unless the new camera was very, very much better. Yeouch!!!

 

It is encouraging to read that once you get them calibrated, though, the "softness" issues go away.

 

 

Thanks,

 

    darmet


@ebiggs1 wrote:

darmet,

What you did actually told you nothing.  Read this....Lens is soft


 

 

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Posts: 4
Registered: ‎01-20-2015

Re: 7D Mark II

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@Fay wrote:

All of my lens are older. My understanding is that there isn't problems with new lens on new camera. But, that said I needed to microadjust my lens to my camera. I had to clean the contacts on the lens. I had to learn the LensAlign system and the Focusing software which took a little trial and error. I ended up shooting tethered to a laptop which speeded the process up. I also found that there was what I am calling a "burn in" phase. In otherwords the more I shot the more details showed up. Probably the contacts adjusting to each other. Yes I would have been nice to slap the lens on the camera and get perfect results the first time. But, when you are putting 90's equipment together with 2014 equipment you really can't expect it to be a match made in heaven, it may only get you to the gate where you need to have a discussion with the big man.

 

The system is working. My current questions regards the noise and grain with the Mark II I think it is worse than the ID and 5D, but that is subjective at this point I need to do some side by side comparsion.

 

I hope this helped. Fay


 

Fay,

 

Thanks. None of my Canon lenses are 90s lenses. All of the ones I use now were bought within the last five years. If I have to go through what you did to make each of them work with the Mark II, it could well dissuade me from upgrading!

 

I did a similar comparison, by the way, with my 7D Mark I and a 5D Mark III (using the lenses that would interchange between the two). The Mark III was super-sweet, for sure, and in low-light situations it was noticeably better. However, in good light, under my normal shooting conditions (outdoors in daylight, or at low ISO on a tripod), I could see no difference at all in image quality, even when I zoomed in as far as possible. That was a surprise!!

 

    Darmet

 

 

Fay
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Posts: 18
Registered: ‎11-23-2014

Re: 7D Mark II

Did you read the article that ebiggs1 linked to above. It will explain your issue. It all depends on how much time you want to spend getting it "right". I found the investment of time worth the effort. I am getting what I want. Does the Mark II have features you want/need? If not let it alone and go take pictures. If it does go out and buy LensAlign and the Focusing software and get to work. It will be worth your time and effort.
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Registered: ‎06-17-2014

Re: 7D Mark II

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@Fay wrote:

 

The system is working. My current questions regards the noise and grain with the Mark II 


Here's 4000 (four thousand) ISO, chosen by Auto ISO, at 100% crop from my 7D Mk II - exactly as it came out of the converter. Cropped in PS, but no additional NR added:

http://kazemisu.me.uk/images/7D_Mk_II_4000_ISO.jpg

 

It's noiseless.

 

Here it is at the "image" level, for the Exif: 

http://kazemisu.me.uk/images/7D_Mk_II_4000_ISO_1.jpg

 

Again, no PP NR

 

16,000 ISO (in no light - again, look at the Exif). No PP NR here either, just some selective sharpening: 

http://kazemisu.me.uk/images/7D_Mk_II_16000_ISO.jpg

 

I seriously doubt that the cameras you're comparing it against are better, properly compared at the image level - even though they've got bigger sensors.

 

The "trick"? Use the right Raw converter...

 

 

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Registered: ‎01-20-2015

Re: 7D Mark II


@Fay wrote:
Did you read the article that ebiggs1 linked to above. It will explain your issue. It all depends on how much time you want to spend getting it "right". I found the investment of time worth the effort. I am getting what I want. Does the Mark II have features you want/need? If not let it alone and go take pictures. If it does go out and buy LensAlign and the Focusing software and get to work. It will be worth your time and effort.

 

Hi Fay,

 

I didn't catch the link at first (and mistakenly wrote my first reply thinking it was a comment), but then I did realize it was a link, and I did read it -- and had to revise my response. (Oops!!!)

 

I'm relieved to know that it's a focus/alignment issue and not a flaw in the image sensor itself.

 

That does put the Mark II back in the running for me, but as much as I liked it when I tried it (especially that new autofocus system and the quieter shutter), I didn't feel it was so far above my Mark I that I need to rush right out and replace it.

 

I very much appreciate all of the time and feedback here. Thank you!

 

     darmet

Fay
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Posts: 18
Registered: ‎11-23-2014

Re: 7D Mark II

Well these pictures have no noise issues that I can see. When picture style did you use? Have you motified the factory setting on the style?

 

I will try to set up a similar display and see how it goes. There was no data on the files when I saved them to desktop. Thanks for the come back. If I can find out what I am doing wrong with this particular issue I will be very happy. Noticed I said what I am doing wrong.

 

Fay

Fay
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Registered: ‎11-23-2014

Re: 7D Mark II

darmet. Rereading my response. I am sorry if I sounded snide. That wasn't my intention. Fay
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