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What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

I feel i am ready to progress to a better camera body. I have had a 450D for about 5 years now. I shoot mainly protraits and landscapes. I do like to dabble in some photojournalism on occasion. It seems the 7D MarkII would be a good choice based on online reviews but I would like to know what the Canon community think? Any advice regarding lenses as well would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

The 7D Mk II is light years ahead of your XSi.  You will love it.  It is a robust camera, you will notice that right off.  It is a little larger body, for me that is a plus.  I shot two 7D's for years and can testify they are great cameras.  The 7D Mk II is just a nice improvement over that very good 7D.

Another plus, the 7D Mk II will use your current lens(s).  It will also use the even better Canon EF lenses which include the "L" series.

If you have your heart set on a 7D Mk II go get it. Smiley Happy

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

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Also consider glass. What lenses do you have?

 

If you are shooting landscapes and portraits you may not be able to see any difference in your images if you up grade to the 7d2.  The 7d2 is all about complex autofocus for fast sports, and about weather sealing and solid metal construction. Your portraits and landscape are not moving so get little benefit from the complex autofocus, and as you have gone 5 years without physically destroying your 450d it is unclear that weather sealing and a metal chassis is something you've been needing much either. 

 

While 2 side by side portraits or other slow moving subject images won't look very different with the 2 different cameras they could look very different with better lenses. If you have not ever updated your lenses to good glass I wouldn't go spend all my upgrade budget on a body and then put kit lenses on it.

 

in that situation you might rather buy a T6i or an 80d (or no camera) and leave money for lenses.  

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I think your current lens arsenal should factor into your new camera decision.  If you are heavily invested in EF-S lenses, then the 7D2 or 80D would be your best choices.  If you have a number of EF lenses, then you might consider a full frame camera body like the 6D or 5D3.

 

I just spent the weekend at a zoo, where I carried a 7D2 and a 6D.  I wanted to compare performance and image quality.  I had two "L" lenses, the 100-400mm and a 70-200mm.  I took a couple hundred shots with each camera, swapped lenses, and shot a couple hundred more.  I felt the full frame 6D consistently had the best images, with least amount of noise.  It really wasn't close, IMHO..

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?


@ScottyP wrote:

Also consider glass. What lenses do you have?

 

If you are shooting landscapes and portraits you may not be able to see any difference in your images if you up grade to the 7d2.  The 7d2 is all about complex autofocus for fast sports, and about weather sealing and solid metal construction. Your portraits and landscape are not moving so get little benefit from the complex autofocus, and as you have gone 5 years without physically destroying your 450d it is unclear that weather sealing and a metal chassis is something you've been needing much either. 

 

While 2 side by side portraits or other slow moving subject images won't look very different with the 2 different cameras they could look very different with better lenses. If you have not ever updated your lenses to good glass I wouldn't go spend all my upgrade budget on a body and then put kit lenses on it.

 

in that situation you might rather buy a T6i or an 80d (or no camera) and leave money for lenses.  


I don't dispute the benefits of better glass, but I think Scott understates the difference between the two cameras. The 450D, IIRC, is a 12 Mp camera; the 7D2 is a bit over 20. That alone could make a significant difference if you want to create large prints.

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

Google "7D Mar4k II vs 80D" . There is a good "resource" site. Look at the advantages and see if they will fill a void in your shooting needs. Are they worth the cost dif

 

 

 

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?


@RobertTheFat wrote:

@ScottyP wrote:

Also consider glass. What lenses do you have?

 

If you are shooting landscapes and portraits you may not be able to see any difference in your images if you up grade to the 7d2.  The 7d2 is all about complex autofocus for fast sports, and about weather sealing and solid metal construction. Your portraits and landscape are not moving so get little benefit from the complex autofocus, and as you have gone 5 years without physically destroying your 450d it is unclear that weather sealing and a metal chassis is something you've been needing much either. 

 

While 2 side by side portraits or other slow moving subject images won't look very different with the 2 different cameras they could look very different with better lenses. If you have not ever updated your lenses to good glass I wouldn't go spend all my upgrade budget on a body and then put kit lenses on it.

 

in that situation you might rather buy a T6i or an 80d (or no camera) and leave money for lenses.  


I don't dispute the benefits of better glass, but I think Scott understates the difference between the two cameras. The 450D, IIRC, is a 12 Mp camera; the 7D2 is a bit over 20. That alone could make a significant difference if you want to create large prints.


Not trying to understate but only trying to

see that glass is considered in the budget. Note a

T6i has a 24mp sensor and would leave money for glass. 

Scott

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

"Not trying to understate but only trying to see that glass is considered in the budget. Note a T6i has a 24mp sensor and would leave money for glass. "

 

The T6i is a great camera.  But, the T6s is more than worth the higher cost.  If the OP wants to get more serious about photography, then it is time to leave the Rebel camera bodies behind. 

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

Thanks jrhoffman75,

 

I hadn't considered the 80D. It seems buying that body and spending the extra cash on decent EF lenses is the way to go. Especially as that body allows me to use my older EFS lenses whilst investing for the future with EF lenses that I may need when I upgrade again in the future.

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Re: What next? I have had a 450D for the past few years. I would like some recommendations?

"Especially as that body allows me to use my older EFS lenses ..."

 

So will the 7D Mk II as any of the other cameras mentioned except the 6D.  Any of the xxD or new Rebels is going to be a upgrade that should be easily noticeable quickly by anyone.  The 7D Mk II however is a significant upgrade over a XSi.

The 7D Mk II is a pro level DSLR, the others mentioned, even the 6D, are not.

 

Putting the 7D Mk II in a specific category niche such a, it can only shoot fast action sports is pure nonsense.  Smiley Frustrated

 

In the end though the choice is yours.

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