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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!


@Kaldun wrote:
Or you could buy this canon camera connect (IIRC the name) station, I think it provides the desired functionality..

That right there is why they've so stupidly turned off a useful feature. "Don't let the camera connect to a computer but let it connect to other wifi devices 10x more complex to communicate with, then we can charge them $300 for a trinket to finish the task the camera was capable of doing on it's own" *brb 1starring Canon connect on every retail site*. I just bought the T6i and am strongly considerig returning it for a different model. My point&shoot with 4gb eyefi card had better sync capabilities than this brick.

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!

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Hi all, 

 

   So glad that I am not alone in thinking that Canons deliberate disabling of the ability to connect this camera to a PC is unnecessary.  I was bought on the fact that in its advertising it clearly shows the Wi-Fi Certified logo, this to me and indeed the company that issues that certificate means that it should communicate fully with any other certified equipment, including PC`s and Mac`s.

 

   I have opened a complaint with Canon, as well as notified my local consumer rights organisations and the Wi-Fi certified company.  

 

  So far, I have been told to "read the manual before I make a purchase", "get a refund", "buy the adapter".  It has only been my persistence that they have escalated my complaint to head office and I will not quit until I get a reasonable outome.

 

  I want Canon to either stop using the Wi-Fi certified logo, change their advertising to reflect that connections to certain equipment is limited, or and more desirably, release a firmware patch to allow a pc connection.  

 

  What really worried me was when I downloaded the software for this model, it will install 3 versions on EOS Utility on my PC, one version is for Wi-Fi connections only!  One of the others dosen`t work at all and the other will work with a USB cable.  It is only the Wi-Fi version that a shortcut to the desktop is created, adding more weight to my assumption that this will connect to my PC.

 

  I have managed to connect it my PC and Router, but there is still no way to get them talking.  I may try an android emulator next. 
 
  I am in the UK, and cant find (yet) a mention of this issue on the UK forum, but if I may, I will update you on any progress here for now.

 

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!

Ah, well played, sir.  I hadn't even thought leveraging the (false) WiFi certification angle!  This should create some headaches for Canon.  As you said, they'll either be forced to enable full WiFi support in their firmware, or remove the WiFi Certification claim, which could open up them up to lawsuits for false advertising by previous purchasers.  

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!

It is mearly a matter of principle for me now, but I am a man of my principles and if nobody ever stands up for what they feel is right then they will continue to walk all over you.  (or kill you, hehe) 

 

I cant really return it as the models that do allow a pc connection are prohibitavly expensive for me at this time and if I go with another platform (very very tempting) none of my lenses will fit.

 

A quote from The Wi-Fi Alliance website if anyone is unfamilier with them. 

  "Wi-Fi CERTIFIED™ is an internationally-recognized seal of approval for products indicating that they have met industry-agreed standards for interoperability, security, and a range of application specific protocols."

 

 

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!

Just because a device says wireless, that does not mean that it is networkable.  Canon has used wireless flash units for years, which "connected" via infrared light, transmitted via line of sight.  ...  wireless and not networkable.

 

You confuse "wireless" and "WiFi". Wireless means that a signal may be passed from one object to another. Although usually by radio signal, it could also be by two guys waving flags. As long as there is no wire connecting the devices, it is "wireless". The usual meaning though does include a radio signal between two devices. Wireless technology may be proprietary.

 

WiFi is a standard of radio communications that allows communication with diverse manufacturers and diverse products to understand each other. (see IEEE 802.11).  The standards for WIFI are set by industry for all to use (open standards) and are not proprietary. In order to use the WiFi Certified logo, the product must be capable of connecting to a network.

 

Canon is selling the T6, T6i, and T6s as WiFi Certified. Any reasonable person would expect to be able to connect another WiFi device through a router (network).

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!


@Mr_Fusion wrote:

Just because a device says wireless, that does not mean that it is networkable.  Canon has used wireless flash units for years, which "connected" via infrared light, transmitted via line of sight.  ...  wireless and not networkable.

 

You confuse "wireless" and "WiFi". Wireless means that a signal may be passed from one object to another. Although usually by radio signal, it could also be by two guys waving flags. As long as there is no wire connecting the devices, it is "wireless". The usual meaning though does include a radio signal between two devices. Wireless technology may be proprietary.

 

WiFi is a standard of radio communications that allows communication with diverse manufacturers and diverse products to understand each other. (see IEEE 802.11).  The standards for WIFI are set by industry for all to use (open standards) and are not proprietary. In order to use the WiFi Certified logo, the product must be capable of connecting to a network.

 

Canon is selling the T6, T6i, and T6s as WiFi Certified. Any reasonable person would expect to be able to connect another WiFi device through a router (network).


You appear to be new to this rather old thread, and I wonder if you've read and understood the rest of it. You seem to be arguing like a lawyer, not a computer programmer. Do you know the difference between a WiFi client and a WiFi access point? Do you know what a router is and what role it plays in a network? Do you understand why those concepts make a difference in this context? If not, maybe you need to do some more reading. WiFi isn't as simple as camera manuals usually imply.

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!



@RobertTheFat wrote:

 


You appear to be new to this rather old thread, and I wonder if you've read and understood the rest of it. You seem to be arguing like a lawyer, not a computer programmer. Do you know the difference between a WiFi client and a WiFi access point? Do you know what a router is and what role it plays in a network? Do you understand why those concepts make a difference in this context? If not, maybe you need to do some more reading. WiFi isn't as simple as camera manuals usually imply.


 

 

  It may be an old thread, but the issue is still there, Canon are still selling this and other models with a Wi-Fi certified logo and people are still buying it under the rightfull assumption that it will conect to other Wi-Fi certified equipment.  

 

  What does it matter if people dont understand the difference between this and that or the other and dont have a PHD in computer science.  It is what the advertisment suggests that is important.

 

  Now, I only in laymans terms know the difference between an acces point and a client, but as far as I can tell, the camera can act as both.  

 

  In a recent converstation with a guy at the Wi-Fi Alliance he states "  We do certify the devices for interoperability. These should connect to any Wi-Fi CERTIFIED device without question.

 

  So where is the confusuion Bob?  What should we know that we dont that would change how we should build our assumptions?  I`ve read the entire thread, it is only you who seems confused about this in my opinion.

 

 

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!


 

You confuse "wireless" and "WiFi". Wireless means that a signal may be passed from one object to another. Although usually by radio signal, it could also be by two guys waving flags.


Since this thread is pretty pointless, I thought I would add the following anecdote. During WWI, JRR Tolkien was a communcations officer in the trenches. They had many means, including semaphore, telephone and carrier pigeon, but generally they just used runners since visiblity was usually poor and phone lines could be tapped.

 

 

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!

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Call it perseverance or help from that smart kid next door. I got my camera to connect through my router to my computer. I even d/l a couple of pictures. The downside is it is a battery drainer and went at about 350 kb/s. It took close to 15 seconds per picture.

 

On the camera i told it to find a network. I chose my network and entered the passcode for my router. On my computer I went to "This PC" in Win 10 and it was listed in the network alongside my printer and wife's computer. I opened the folder, went through the tree until I came to the open folder. From there I could open and view each picture. I opened two into Windows Photo Viewer and one into Paint.Net Slow down load but it worked. 

 

I don't think that this is what Canon Engineers were thinking of, but I did get it to work. As for being usable, it is a resounding NO.

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Re: Just bought a T6i, with wireless and NFC, but the 2 Canon apps say it's not compatible?!

Goes to show that it is physically possible at least.
I recently found another thread on a different site where lots of people have also felt misled.
On it, there has been posted a few other work arounds, I am yet to try them, so can't really comment on them yet. But here is the link if you are interested.. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56060673
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