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R6 Mk ll - Odd night sky image problem UPDATED 7-19-24

justadude
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Updated, but not solved.  The update will be here at the top in italics.  Everything below italics is the original post.

I have been in contact with Canon Tech Support - first by email.  Three different technicians, a lot of back and forth questions asking pretty much the same thing that is scattered through this post.  No one had any suggestions, but just a lot of questions on what I could have been doing wrong, none that panned out though.  Finally did the phone option, and got a little further.  This tech let me send in RAW files, could actually see what the concern was.  He was also an astro-photographer, so when I explained various things, he understood what I was talking about.  He also confirmed that I was not crazy... there is zero EXIF data for IBIS, only IS through the lens, which did not apply here.  So again, we do not know what caused this, or what to do. 

I asked "Is this the type of movement one would see IF the IBIS was still on, while on a tripod?"  He replied there would be movement, but he cannot find anything saying it would be a small rotational type of movement.  So now we are both trying to do some homework to find out.

This brings up a question for anyone here...  Do any of you have any idea what type of movement that YOU get in your camera if you leave IBIS on (with a lens that does not have IS) while on a tripod?  Out of all of my cameras, this is the only one with IBIS, so I cannot test this out myself since the technician and I agreed this would need to be tested with a different camera.  I'm stuck and at a point where I have zero other resources to figure this out.

Thanks!

I have a question on some night sky images I have been taking with the R6 Mk ll.  I should mention first that I am not new to night sky photography.  I've been doing it since pre-digital days.  I've also shot a lot of night sky images with 4 different Pentax DSLRs, 3 different Canon DSLRs, and now 3 different Canon Mirrorless bodies.  The R6 Mk ll is the first camera I've experienced the following with.

If you look at the two attached images, one is nice and clear, the other seems to have a bit of a rotation to the whole image.  I've only shot night sky images a few times with this camera.  Last month I saw about 10% of my images had this weird rotation.  I wrote it off as shifting sand around the tripod.  Last night I was out taking about 100 shots.  Very sporadic, but roughly half of them look like this.  This last one was taken in the parking lot (solid ground - no shifting sand).

Few notes:
* Camera set to Manual mode
* IS turned off in camera
* The tripod is solid, tight connections on legs and ball head, and far from being underrated for this gear weight.  
* I've used two different lenses where this is happening.  Rokinon 14mm F/2.8 EF mount... Venus Optics Laowa 15mm F/2 RF mount.  Both of these lenses are full manual - no auto setting, so the camera is set to shoot without a lens.

Am I missing something in the settings that is new to this specific camera?  I've never had this happen on any other camera.  Also, I only see this in night sky shots, when on a tripod.  Day shots, on a tripod are never a problem.

Summer 2024-27.jpgSummer 2024-28.jpg


Gary
Lake Michigan Area MI

Digital Cameras: Canon EOS R6 Mk ll, EOS R8, EOS RP, ...and a few other brands
Film Cameras: Mostly Pentax, Kodak, and Zenit... and still heavily used
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@justadude wrote:

As for the firmware, the tech I spoke to on the phone said if we can get another image, from a different R6m2 camera, THAT will trigger what we need to get someone to create a firmware fix, otherwise it's just a "one off" type situation.  Another reason I hope I can find someone with a similar image.

Bumping a rather old thread. I was just on a trip and encountered this problem in two separate situations, but with the new RF 16-28, not a third party lens. I did have IS on, I didn't even think to turn it off because I haven't had issues with leaving it on on tripods or long exposures before - eventually I gave up because every long exposure produced an image rotated about the center. I dunno if this is useful or not, since it sounds like part of your issue is that IBIS should have been off in your case?

I ended up sending the camera in while it was still under warranty early in the fall.  It's working fine now.  They said something about resetting absolutely everything (made it sound like more than just a regular refresh).  It is working fine now.

And yes, the IBIS was off in my case.  I confirmed it multiple times after the long conversation here (when I was still getting rotation in half the shots) and before I sent it in.  

The odd thing is there is nothing in the EXIF data at all to see if the IBIS was turning itself on for random shots.  The Tech I talked to said that is something that they should write into the firmware (a simple "IBIS On, or Off" line), but who knows if they ever will.  I'm just glad it's working now.


Gary
Lake Michigan Area MI

Digital Cameras: Canon EOS R6 Mk ll, EOS R8, EOS RP, ...and a few other brands
Film Cameras: Mostly Pentax, Kodak, and Zenit... and still heavily used


@justadude wrote:

I ended up sending the camera in while it was still under warranty early in the fall.  It's working fine now.  They said something about resetting absolutely everything (made it sound like more than just a regular refresh).  It is working fine now.

And yes, the IBIS was off in my case.  I confirmed it multiple times after the long conversation here (when I was still getting rotation in half the shots) and before I sent it in.  

The odd thing is there is nothing in the EXIF data at all to see if the IBIS was turning itself on for random shots.  The Tech I talked to said that is something that they should write into the firmware (a simple "IBIS On, or Off" line), but who knows if they ever will.  I'm just glad it's working now.


EDIT: Canon_CameraInfoR6_0x0b5a might be the image stabilization mode on the EOS R5

This section was added to the metadata on the EOS R5 with a firmware update, but I do not remember which version.

exiftool -s -ImageStabilization  /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/IMG_317[5-8].CR3               
======== /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/IMG_3175.CR3
ImageStabilization              : Off (2)
======== /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/IMG_3176.CR3
ImageStabilization              : On (2)
======== /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/IMG_3177.CR3
ImageStabilization              : On (2)
======== /Volumes/EOS_DIGITAL/DCIM/100CANON/IMG_3178.CR3
ImageStabilization              : On (2)
    4 image files read

Image stabilization on or off is not in exif, but is in the makernotes at least for EOS R5. I have not been able to find stabilization mode whether always on or only for shot. The above were made with a 50 year old Minolta lens from a film camera. The lens has no electronics.

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