09-01-2025
01:21 PM
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09-02-2025
09:34 AM
by
Danny
I bought the R5 in January and always felt the focus hasn't been right. I have been going back to using my 5D Mkiii instead but recently have been trying to get to the bottom of the issue. I am using it with an adapter and (mainly) a 35mm Sigma Art lens, but I have tried with a Canon EF lens too.
When I use servo, the focus isn't on the eyes, despite using people tracking and eye detection. When I use One Shot (with 1 AF point in the middle of the frame, no tracking or eye detect), I have been trying to use it in the same way as I used my DSLR. I would use the middle focus point, lock the focus on the face by half pressing the shutter button and then reframe so the face is no longer in the middle of the frame, before fully pressing the shutter button. I have never had issue with this on my DSLR - the place where I locked the focus (the face), is always in focus. This isn't working on the R5 though, and the face always ends up soft. I feel like the focus isn't locking and so it focuses on the middle of the frame instead, but the face is no longer there so this is no good. The manual says that I should be able to do this - it says "When you press the shutter button halfway, the camera will focus only once. When focus is achieved, the AF point will turn green and the beeper will sound. The focus remains locked while you hold down the shutter button halfway, allowing you to recompose the image before taking the picture" - this reads to me like I should be able to use the same technique I have done for years. I have sent my camera to Canon who found no fault, however the man who tested it told me he wasn't a specialist and that I should phone the helpdesk instead - he said he thinks maybe my shutter speed was too slow (it was 1/500). So I called the helpdesk but I have just been repeatedly asked why I would want to do that when I could just use a different focus point, which doesn't really help me answer my concern. He is also suggesting that its not a thing that mirrorless cameras can do because of chips etc, but I feel the manual says otherwise? My question is, should I not be able to do this? Am I missing something? I am in the UK, for context.
09-01-2025 02:13 PM
Sorry to hear that you are experiencing issues with your new camera. Did you purchase the original R5 or the R5 Mark II? I ask because the cameras have similar, but slightly different, AF features.
Are you trying to capture action photos? No one can advise you until they understand what you’re doing.
Have you checked to see where your locked AF point is located?
I no longer focus and recompose in One Shot AF mode with my R6ii. I use Servo AF with Whole Area Tracking enabled. I first acquire a focus lock on the subject. As I recompose the shot, a focus lock remains on the subject.
Metering is another issue. I use Evaluative Metering and make sure that I have an active and locked AF point on the subject. Meeting both conditions will cause the camera metering to be biased to the AF point, instead of from the center of the frame.
09-01-2025 02:40 PM
Thank you for your reply! I have the original R5. Originally I tried both one shot and servo on still subjects (I rarely shoot action shots), but because I noticed an issue I have been specifically only trying one shot on still subjects and servo on moving subjects. When using one shot I only use the middle AF point and then reframe.. that has always been my preferred method because I don't want to have to choose a new AF point every time my preferred focal point (usually a face) is in a new area of the frame.
When I check in Canon DPP software it indicates that the AF point is in the middle (when the photo was shot in one shot) however it does the same with my DSLR photos when the focus is clearly on the face (that I originally locked focus on before reframing) that is no longer in the middle of the frame, so I assume it is just indicating the AF point I have allocated, rather than where it locked focus? Is there a place where I can specifically see where the focus locked? When looking at images I shot in servo (on moving subjects, during tests) it does indicate that the AF is on the eye, but they are very much not in focus. My colleague also has the R5 and he almost always uses servo too, I believe.
09-01-2025 04:01 PM
A few questions.
Newton
09-01-2025 04:35 PM - edited 09-01-2025 04:41 PM
“ Thank you for your reply! I have the original R5. Originally I tried both one shot and servo on still subjects (I rarely shoot action shots), but because I noticed an issue I have been specifically only trying one shot on still subjects and servo on moving subjects. When using one shot I only use the middle AF point and then reframe.. that has always been my preferred method because I don't want to have to choose a new AF point every time my preferred focal point (usually a face) is in a new area of the frame.
When I check in Canon DPP software it indicates that the AF point is in the middle (when the photo was shot in one shot) however it does the same with my DSLR photos when the focus is clearly on the face (that I originally locked focus on before reframing) that is no longer in the middle of the frame, so I assume it is just indicating the AF point I have allocated, rather than where it locked focus? Is there a place where I can specifically see where the focus locked? When looking at images I shot in servo (on moving subjects, during tests) it does indicate that the AF is on the eye, but they are very much not in focus. My colleague also has the R5 and he almost always uses servo too, I believe. “
The AF modes, One Shot and Servo, lock focus in different ways. One Shot locks focus when you half press the Shutter. By default, the camera will also emit a beep. By default, exposure is also locked when focus is locked.
Servo mode behavior is very different because of how it is continuously refocusing for as long as you maintain a half press on the Shutter. Servo locks focus and metering when the shutter fires.
As for the AF point is displayed in the center after you recompose, you are correct. The camera is showing you which AF point locked focus, not necessarily where your subject is located.
Evaluative Metering mode can bias the metering to the location of your active and locked AF point. By default, One Shot will always do this, even when you recompose your shot. Both focus and exposure were locked when the camera beeped, providing you maintain the half press on the Shutter.
When you focus and recompose in Servo some interesting things can happen when Whole Area Tracking is enabled. Start here, but enable Whole Area Tracking. I think of this setting combination as DSLR mode.
Notice how the screenshot shows Whole Area Tracking disabled. That’s DSLR mode for One Shot AF. Enable it for Servo mode, and the camera will track your subject across the frame as you recompose.
The crucial step to making this work is to define an Initial AF Tracking Point. Select the Single Point AF and chose the center. Go back in and select the entire screen area to display the icon in the screen shot.
Now try a focus and recompose with Tracking enabled. A cluster of AF points should remain on the subject as you recompose, providing that you maintain a half press on the Shutter. You will see the same behavior if you use BBF.
When you enable Subject Recognition and Eye Tracking, those clusters of AF points change from a cluster to a dynamic bounding rectangle. With Eye Tracking enabled, a small AF box will appear over the subject’s eye.
09-01-2025 06:09 PM
One quick question. Is the EF to EOS R adapter Canon or 3rd party?
~Rick
Bay Area - CA
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09-02-2025 03:22 AM
I've tried it with a Canon 50mm 1.4 and a Canon 70 - 200mm 2.8..
No, I didn't actually, he'll already have left for work this morning, but I can ask him to bring his camera back in tomorrow so I can try that..
No I don't..
09-02-2025 03:24 AM
I'm going to have a proper look through your reply after work, thank you again, but just a quick question - I don't know that the R5 (original) has the whole area tracking option .. do you know if there is an alternative?
09-02-2025 03:26 AM
It's a Canon one, however I did borrow another (Canon) adapter from work last night and I did feel like the tracking on the eyes was a little sharper when trying servo, not as sharp as I'd like but better than when I use my own adapter. One shot still wouldn't work though..
09-02-2025 08:30 AM
Greetings,
Thanks for the reply. We'll go back through your answers as well. Can you please try the following.
Tell us the version of firmware you are using?
Save your current/existing settings to an SD card.
Perform a full reset on main and custom functions then retest.
In some instances, we've seen issues arise when a certain combination of settings are used.
~Rick
Bay Area - CA
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