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Would you recommend improving glass before the camera?

ScottS
Enthusiast

Would you recommend improving glass before the camera? My situation is this: I own a Canon 40D, which I purchased very clean from a photographer who was upgrading to the 70D. I own only kit lenses at this point. One of them is the "Nifty Fifty" Canon 50mm 1.8. I can't afford my ultimate dream quite yet of full-frame and L series glass. I think I can begin to either upgrade my lenses or my camera.

 

My choice right now is between the following scenarios:

 

Stay with my Canon 40D ~ purchase the Canon 70-200mm 2.8 IS II

Stay with my Canon 40D ~ purchase the Sigma 18-35 MM 1.8 Art Lens

(possibly both of those)

OR

Purchase the Canon 7D Mark II w/ the 18-135 STM Kit Lens

Purchase the Canon 6D w/ the 24-105 f4 Lens

 

I am leaning toward better glass, because low light, clear, sharp photographs are my goal. Video and sports photography are not what I'm needing now.

 

I am very open to your thoughts and experience.

 

Thanks much!

Scott S

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Hey Waddizzle,


Thanks for your insights shared! So you love your Canon 6D? I'm hearing a ton of positives on this camera on this thread. Can I ask you about it in light that is less than blue sky sunny? I know in complete darkness, we need tripod, and special knowledge. But how about in lighting from buildings at night, with people on a street? Or in a room with lights on as ambient background. One of the great disappointments for me while being in India with my Canon 40D last summer, were all those times that I had to actually give up the shot, or use my flash.

 

Flashing is just not my thing. So how much can that new full-frame "kid on the block" transform a less than full light situation? Are you happy with it in all circumstances?  And then that 24-105 f4 lens. That was realy bothering me that it didn't go down to 2.8. But several posters on here have all commented that I would not likely need that for MOST of my shots. 

 

I've been smitten with the 70-200 USM 2.8 II lens. The photographs from that make my blood fizz. I mean really! I'm like a kid in a candy shop when I see the pics. That being said...perhaps mounted on a Canon 40D vs. going up to full frame Canon 6D and the f4 stop is a good dilemma. 

 

Everyone says it is all about goals, and I agree. I have kit lenses covering 50mm 1.8, 18-55 EF-S (cheap kit)f3.5-5.6, and the 28-135 that came with my Canon 40D. So getting the white monster would be like an investment for now and the future. But I'm tempted to move to FF, too.

 

Decisions.....But how much do you love your Canon 6D :)?

"Decisions.....But how much do you love your Canon 6D Smiley Happy?"

 

That's not a fair question.  I'm biased.  I love it, of course.  The 6D more than meets my enthusiastic amateur needs.  What I like most about it is the DETAIL that I get from the full-frame sensor.  The number of megapixels from an image sensor is not as signficant as the amount of light per pixel that the sensor can collect!  I think the images from a 10 megapixel full-frame sensor  are at least the equal of a 20 megapixel APS-C sensor, if not more so.

 

In low light situations, the only special knowledge you need is common sense and good instincts, also known as experience, IMHO.  I have the "new nifty fifty", Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM, lens and have captured dozens and dozens of beautiful shots with it.  I have not used that lens at night, or in low light, in the field.  I have done lots of test shots, both with and without a tripod under low light conditions, and have settled on the fact that A TRIPOD IS A MUST in low light conditions.  A tripod will give you at least one f/stop in low light, depending how much light we're talking about.

 

Taking pictures of lit candles is one of the more challenging shots to take.  Taking pictures of lit candles that are not stationary will test the capability of any camera/lens combination out there.  Under those conditions, really great shots will be produced in post processing, but you still need to begin with a good starting point. 

 

"You cannot age bad wine, and expect to turn into good wine."

 

For capturing low light shots without a flash, you might want to consider purchasing a wide aperture prime lens, such as the 50mm f/1.2L, or the EF 35mm f/1.4L II USM lens.  I have never  used either lens, so do not think I am speaking from experience.

 

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Weetbix
Contributor

just get a 6d and throw the 50mm on it and zoom with your feet 😛

 

if you do get a 6d you should also consider pairing it with the Tamron SP 24-70mm 2.8 Di VC usd, for some odd reason canon doesnt have a 24-70mm 2.8L lens with image stabilization

the 18-135mm stm is garbage and the sigma is a bit hard to sell off when your done due to its bulk and people not wanting to be stuck with a efs mount lens

 

as for the the 24-105 f4L (IS) starts off sharp but drops in resolution at the other end and at f5.6 to f8 you would have trouble trying to spot the difference between this and the kit lens on 40d 

Canon 1100d, Canon EF-M (manual focus film slr), Canon EOS 3, Canon EF-S 10-18/4.5-5.6 IS STM, Canon EF-S 55-250/4.0-5.6 IS II, Tamron EF SP 24-70/2.8 Di VC USD, Canon EF 28–70/3.5–4.5 II, Canon EF
35-350/3.5-5.6L USM.


@Weetbix wrote:

just get a 6d and throw the 50mm on it and zoom with your feet 😛

 

if you do get a 6d you should also consider pairing it with the Tamron SP 24-70mm 2.8 Di VC usd, for some odd reason canon doesnt have a 24-70mm 2.8L lens with image stabilization

the 18-135mm stm is garbage and the sigma is a bit hard to sell off when your done due to its bulk and people not wanting to be stuck with a efs mount lens

 

as for the the 24-105 f4L (IS) starts off sharp but drops in resolution at the other end and at f5.6 to f8 you would have trouble trying to spot the difference between this and the kit lens on 40d 


Wow, you're pretty hard on the 24-105L.  The only real knock against it is that it is not state of the art.  I wouldn't expect a 40D to realize much of the potential of the lens.  But, on a 6D it looks pretty darn good.

 

IMG_2037.pdn90.jpg

 

That shot was taken with a 6D at 24mm, f/8, 1/160, ISO-100. from a slowly moving and rocking boat.

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@Waddizzle wrote:

@Weetbix wrote:
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as for the the 24-105 f4L (IS) starts off sharp but drops in resolution at the other end and at f5.6 to f8 you would have trouble trying to spot the difference between this and the kit lens on 40d 


Wow, you're pretty hard on the 24-105L.  The only real knock against it is that it is not state of the art.  I wouldn't expect a 40D to realize much of the potential of the lens.  But, on a 6D it looks pretty darn good.

 

IMG_2037.pdn90.jpg

 

That shot was taken with a 6D at 24mm, f/8, 1/160, ISO-100. from a slowly moving and rocking boat.


I think the 24-105 f/4L IS on a 6D can produce some pretty sharp photos.  Can you see something orange in the top left window?

 

IMG_2037.pdn90.Cropped.JPG

 

It is one of the lighthouse museum's curators, the boss.  She oversaw the multi-year restoration project.  There are about 12 more people/hosts in orange shirts hiding out on the inside, just so that folks can take clean pictures.

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"just get a 6d and throw the 50mm on it and zoom with your feet Smiley Tongue

 

if you do get a 6d you should also consider pairing it with the Tamron SP 24-70mm 2.8 Di VC usd, for some odd reason canon doesnt have a 24-70mm 2.8L lens with image stabilization

the 18-135mm stm is garbage and the sigma is a bit hard to sell off when your done due to its bulk and people not wanting to be stuck with a efs mount lens

 

as for the the 24-105 f4L (IS) starts off sharp but drops in resolution at the other end and at f5.6 to f8 you would have trouble trying to spot the difference between this and the kit lens on 40d"

 

Just curious, are you a user or just a reader?   Never waste a bad review.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!


@ebiggs1 wrote:

"just get a 6d and throw the 50mm on it and zoom with your feet Smiley Tongue

 

if you do get a 6d you should also consider pairing it with the Tamron SP 24-70mm 2.8 Di VC usd, for some odd reason canon doesnt have a 24-70mm 2.8L lens with image stabilization

the 18-135mm stm is garbage and the sigma is a bit hard to sell off when your done due to its bulk and people not wanting to be stuck with a efs mount lens

 

as for the the 24-105 f4L (IS) starts off sharp but drops in resolution at the other end and at f5.6 to f8 you would have trouble trying to spot the difference between this and the kit lens on 40d"

 

Just curious, are you a user or just a reader?   Never waste a bad review.


a user, I used to have ef 24-105 f/4 usm L (IS) sold it cause i wasnt using it after aquiring the tamron 24-70 f2.8 SP Di VC, and I'm not that hard on the lens, i was refering to its the performace on the 40d and to be honest i find the kit lens 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 (IS) & 55-250mm (IS) f4-5.6 to be adequate on all aps-c bodies (even more so now newer bodies correct for chromatic abberations and peripheral fall off) I'm still shooting with the made in taiwan 1100d which only has the peripheral fall off correction

Canon 1100d, Canon EF-M (manual focus film slr), Canon EOS 3, Canon EF-S 10-18/4.5-5.6 IS STM, Canon EF-S 55-250/4.0-5.6 IS II, Tamron EF SP 24-70/2.8 Di VC USD, Canon EF 28–70/3.5–4.5 II, Canon EF
35-350/3.5-5.6L USM.

"just get a 6d and throw the 50mm on it and zoom with your feet Smiley Tongue"

 

But you recommended a 6D and a 50mm?  If you never used a 6D how could you recommend it to someone else?  Or, how the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens will work on it?

That is what I was wondering?

I share you thoughts on the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC USD Lens for Canon.  It is a wonderful lens which I can highly recommend from personal experience with it.  My personal rating puts it in 2nd place to the Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens.  Maybe a distant second but 2nd never-the-less.

EB
EOS 1DX and 1D Mk IV and less lenses then before!


@ebiggs1 wrote:

"just get a 6d and throw the 50mm on it and zoom with your feet Smiley Tongue"

 

But you recommended a 6D and a 50mm?  If you never used a 6D how could you recommend it to someone else?  Or, how the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Lens will work on it?

That is what I was wondering?

I share you thoughts on the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC USD Lens for Canon.  It is a wonderful lens which I can highly recommend from personal experience with it.  My personal rating puts it in 2nd place to the Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens.  Maybe a distant second but 2nd never-the-less.


I admit I've never used a 6d, but i have used/hired the 1Ds mark2 (about 45 hours) and the 5d mark2 (3 weeks), but if i were to go out tomorrow and buy a fullframe camera it will be the 6d because i dont shoot for a living

 

 

Canon 1100d, Canon EF-M (manual focus film slr), Canon EOS 3, Canon EF-S 10-18/4.5-5.6 IS STM, Canon EF-S 55-250/4.0-5.6 IS II, Tamron EF SP 24-70/2.8 Di VC USD, Canon EF 28–70/3.5–4.5 II, Canon EF
35-350/3.5-5.6L USM.


@Weetbix wrote:

@ebiggs1 wrote:
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a user, I used to have ef 24-105 f/4 usm L (IS) sold it cause i wasnt using it after aquiring the tamron 24-70 f2.8 SP Di VC, and I'm not that hard on the lens, i was refering to its the performace on the 40d and to be honest i find the kit lens 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 (IS) & 55-250mm (IS) f4-5.6 to be adequate on all aps-c bodies (even more so now newer bodies correct for chromatic abberations and peripheral fall off) I'm still shooting with the made in taiwan 1100d which only has the peripheral fall off correction


I have never used a 1100D, T3, but I have used the 1200D, T5.  The Rebel T5 captures images with the 24-105 f/4L that are comparable to those it captures with the 18-55mm kit lens that comes with it. 

I'm not sure whether to blame the 1200D or the 24-105 for that, though I am leaning hard towards the 1200D.  I have used lenses that can fit both cameras, and the 1200D consistently produces inferior, grainy looking images, many of which are comparable to the kit lenses.

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