topic Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens in Professional Photo Printers

PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

Noirgalant — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:41:08 GMT

I have a digital file for Xmas balls that shines with color reflections in gold, green and red. When I print on high end textured watercolor paper for inkjet all of the green and red flattens out into a rich but dull looking red and green, no reflection or lighter areas. Attached is the original screen shot and a scan of the print to compare. Can anybody help me here? I have done everything right working it all out with Canon tech support, but the problem persists. It's as if it wants it to be a Black and White photograph. What am I doing wrong? (screenshot and print scanned below)

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

jrhoffman75 — Thu, 24 Oct 2019 02:47:09 GMT

Does the paper have an ICC profile for the Pro-100?

What paper type are you selecting when you print?

What software? What operating system?

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

bellevuefineart — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:37:58 GMT

It could be that the correct ICC profile isn't applied, OR the correct media type. If you're using Canon Print Studio Pro, the soft proofing is actually helpful in seeing what you might expect if printed, even if it's not perfect. It could also be that the green you want is out of gamut for that paper.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

Noirgalant — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:51:20 GMT

I use Hahnemuehe textured watercolor paper ‘Turner’ with the correct ICC profile downloaded from manufacturer on an iMac running the new Catalina OS& have tried both the Canon Print Studio Pro and the Affinity Photo the latter working better because apparently Canon has not chosen yo update yet for the newest Apple OS. I redid the green with a different hue of green, similar flattened out results. Apparently Retina display brilliance does not translate to this printer which uses too many greytones, great for photographs but not for brilliant art graphics.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

bellevuefineart — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:58:37 GMT

With the Hahnemuhle William Turner you will want the media type to be High Density Fine Art. It makes a huge difference with that paper, but if you use the William turner profle from Hahnemuhle and that paper type, you should be able to hit that green. I just profiled my Canon Pro-1000 and the William Turner last week, and the greens are stronger than some of the other textured fine art papers I use.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

jrhoffman75 — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:29:19 GMT

@Noirgalant wrote:
I use Hahnemuehe textured watercolor paper ‘Turner’ with the correct ICC profile downloaded from manufacturer on an iMac running the new Catalina OS& have tried both the Canon Print Studio Pro and the Affinity Photo the latter working better because apparently Canon has not chosen yo update yet for the newest Apple OS. I redid the green with a different hue of green, similar flattened out results. Apparently Retina display brilliance does not translate to this printer which uses too many greytones, great for photographs but not for brilliant art graphics.

Canon does have an updated driver for Catalina. You most likely know this, but when you add the printer after updating be sure it is the IJ Series version and not AirPrint.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

Noirgalant — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:36:51 GMT

I don't have problems with saturation, but with too much dark values. I am looking for bright. Since there is no white ink brighter must be created by lower saturation and less black. That is how it works in analog watercolors, and also on the retina/4K screen. The pirnter ignores that for some reason, especially with the greens. Please look at my original screen shot and scan of the resulting print.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:10:39 GMT

Since you are using Print Studio Pro you can print a test pattern that will vary colors as well as a test pattern that will vary brightness.

First you could run a pattern print to see what combination of brightness and contrast gives you the most pleasing overall image:

Then you could run a color test pattern to see any color tweaks are necessary/desired:

Then you can input your adjustmenst into the Canon printer driver:

Finally, you can save preset in the driver that can recalled whenever you want:

You can also do similar settings in PSP but I prefer to print from Lightroom since PSP doesn't provide an output sharpening feature like LR does.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

bellevuefineart — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:23:48 GMT

John, That's very helpful. How did you get to the last part where you configure the printer? The XPS properties page? That could be very helpful for me in getting the colors right for my printer, as I have a numbrer of profiles that are consistently too dark my bright greens come out consistenly weak even after having custom profiles made.

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

jrhoffman75 — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:57:23 GMT

Hi. Yes, it's in the printer driver. If using Lightroom it is what opens up when you select Page Setup in LR and then Properties in the driver popup.

I'm sure you know this, but you can save printer templates in LR just like you would in PSP. If you open a template and modify it want to update the original just right-click the template and select "Update with current settings".

Re: PIXMA PRO-100 prints too dark, especially greens

Noirgalant — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:03:53 GMT

Thank you, that is really useful, I appreciate