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Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

Bob_H — Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:56:24 GMT

I'm considering buying a Pro-10. I basically do nothing but 13x19 bleed prints,

and am aiming to produce archival prints on watercolor paper.

I saw a review in dpReview (April 2013)

that said the printer (and perhaps the Pro-1) were unable to print borderless on fineart papers.

The review of the Pro-1 made it seem like a 3 mm border is the default for all prints

(this is ambiguous - maybe the default this could be overridden?)

It's not clear from the article on the Pro-10 if that meant just using Canon software,

just using fine art paper,

and if a workaround was using Photoshop/Elements/Lightroom etc.

The conclusion of the review said that Canon was working on a firmware upgrade to address the issue.

The review was in April. Has the firmware been updated?

If not, what exactly is the printer able to do? Is it able to print borderless at all?

Thanks

Bob H

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:21:02 GMT

I don't think it will. I don't have the Pro-10 but I do have two Pro-100's and the specs list it as 12.95". But I never print a full borderless 13x19 because the frames are so darned expensive. I use mine for 11x14 most of the time. Which would be, of course, borderless anyway. You are the first person I have run into that said they use 13x19" routinely!

I actually prefer the Pro-100 over the Pro-10. You might want to look at a Pro-100 because the price is fantastic right now. You don't get the archival inks though.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

Bob_H — Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:00:36 GMT

I found instructions on using the printer profiles on the site, and it looks like even if managed by Photoshop you still have a border. Is there any way to set custom sizes? If not, this is a deal breaker.

I've had a cheapo HP 13x19 dye ink printer (it just died) and have used a Canon 9000. Both do borderless on 13x19.

I'm afraid I don't understand why upgraded professional printers would do less. The dpReview article said they had been in contact with Canon and a firmware upgrade was in the works. That was April 2013. It would be nice if a Canon rep would jump in here.

Nobody else uses 13x19 bleeds routinely? I've been doing landscapes using the Photoshop Panorama tool that sort of "demands" large prints. I've been combining up to eight bleed prints as one image - like these: http://robert-hagan.squarespace.com For my use at least, I've been using a 13x19 frame by MCS or Lawrence. I'm in NYC so I get them from Adorama. Cheap - around $10, though plastic/cheesy. For better framing, you're right - expensive.

I'm getting requests for archival prints, so I have to switch to pigment inks with art paper. Bigger than 13x19, I'm going to have to go to a professional printer.

Thanks for the reply. Would still like an "official" response from Canon.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

Karl1 — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 04:59:48 GMT

Hi Bob_H,

As long as you don't choose the Fine art media type setting and use the ICC profile for the Fine Art paper you are using you can print borderless. Most ICC profile manufacturers I've seen recommend using the Premium Matte driver setting along with their ICC profile which will allow you to print borderless. The Pro9000 did have the same restriction if you chose Fine Art, but used the same workaround of choosing Matte. The reason for this is that Canon has found that when you print Borderless on Fine Art Paper using the Fine Art settings, curling of the paper often occured, so it was decided to prevent this that option would be disabled when Fine Art paper was chosen from the Media Type.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

Bob_H — Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:31:12 GMT

So is this the "official" solution?

I found this forum after I read the digital photography Review articles on the Pro-1 and Pro-10. The Pro-10 review showed pictures of wide borders on fine art paper, but suggested that Canon was working on a firmware "fix".

Is that not the case?

How well does this workaround actually work? Are there still problems with curling on fine art paper, or does the change in settings prevent this? If curling is a problem, are there any papers that are known to work better than others? Or is this a "your mileage may vary, use at your own risk" solution?

Is this workaround documented somewhere? The only thing I found was instructions on using the icc profiles, and I don't think this is mentioned there. Also, someone from Canon should probably go back to the review and talk to the reviewer and/or post this explanation there. My unanswered question in the forum is the last word there.

Thanks

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

Bob_H — Fri, 02 Aug 2013 13:14:16 GMT

An additional question - does the same issue of curling happen on 13x19 photo papers, and/or on smaller fine art paper sizes.

I found an offer to do a letter size test print on the canon web site and that gives the choice of photo/fine art and border/borderless. Are borderless printed on a larger size and then trimmed?

I feel I know less now that when I started.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

MarkII — Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:42:12 GMT

The curling issue typically occurs with any thicker rag or art type paper. When printing full bleed, the ink is excessively absorbed on the edges and curling may occur.

We recommend following the guidelines for your paper. Selecting the proper size and media will ensure that you receive the most vibrant prints and truest representations of your image.

Printing on larger paper and then cropping the media to your preferred size is a good option as well. Just be sure to give the image ample time to dry or fix to the paper before manipulation.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

doane2u — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:46:30 GMT

I know this is an old thread, but I need clarification. I'm looking at buying a Pro-10 but am concerned about the very limited borders lost when set to art paper types because of smeering? It looks like I would be restricted to largest sizes for art papers being 10-3/4 x 14-5/8" for 11x17 and 12-3/4 x 14-5/8" for 13x19 with no ability to print the longer 14 x 23" in the manual tray? I don't mind a small border all around of 1/8", but loosing 1-3/8" top and bottom is not acceptable.

I plan to print matte coated art papers, not from Canon, will they still print full size on a different matte setting?

Thanks,

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

Patrick — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 11:30:20 GMT

Hi doane2u,

When using genuine Canon Art Photo Paper with the PIXMA PRO-10, borderless printing is not supported.

When using third party paper, the border size is determined by the paper profile that is provided by that manufacturer. If you are planning on using third party paper with the PIXMA PRO-10, it is recommended that the manufacturer of that paper is contacted for further assistance.

For a list of the PIXMA PRO-10's supported media types, please use the following link:

https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/index?page=content&id=ART163127

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

doane2u — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 16:54:48 GMT

Thanks, Patrick. I have plans on using different types of actual artist papers, hand made papers, etc. and coating them with InkAid white matte precoat or similar. After printing I will be using artists materials over the printed image. So, basically, I won't have access to a predetermined paper profile and will have to do a bit of expermenting. Since I am not looking at gettting photo perfect results, my main concern is just getting the image onto the paper with out huge borders, as I discussed. Any suggestions?

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

zoomCat — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:28:16 GMT

You can print on Fine Art paper using other settings for margins and profile type and get results; you just don't get very dark blacks because the printer will use photo black rather than matte black. I've done this, it is noticiable but may be acceptable for certain kinds of prints. Some paper manufacturers such as Red River actually provide profiles for all their papers (even their 'Fine Art' papers) that do not use the Fine Art settings and therefore can be printed borderless.

If all you need is to get something recognizable on the paper you should be fine.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

shrimpcracker — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 06:14:16 GMT

just bought the Pixmar pr0 10 not knowing about the margin issue, and its very frustrating. I did some test printing with the matt photo paper set to quality high ( no margin restrcition ) and compare to fine art paper prints quality high and theres definitley a visible quality difference in terms sharpness and eveness. I hate the idea that I have to spend more money on a larger peice of paper just to get the size I want. I hope the firm comes soon, or at least give the users some little more control over the margin amount.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

workman25 — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:39:53 GMT

I know this is an old thread, but I am a newcomer and new to Canon PRO 10 printing. I am printing an 11x17 image on 13x19 fine art paper and would like to use the matte black ink vice photo black. I have an option of cutting roll paper to 13x22 so I am assuming I can do a user defined size on the PRO 10 and still get 11x17 printed image since the 30 mm is on the front and back of the paper. Has anyone tried this before I commit to some expensive paper? Thanks for any comments.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

ebiggs1 — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:05:34 GMT

I think you have a try and see situation. But you don't have to use your high dollar paper. Use any paper and use the settings you want for the good stuff. You aren't after great prints just does it work.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 00:39:35 GMT

@workman25 wrote:
I know this is an old thread, but I am a newcomer and new to Canon PRO 10 printing. I am printing an 11x17 image on 13x19 fine art paper and would like to use the matte black ink vice photo black. I have an option of cutting roll paper to 13x22 so I am assuming I can do a user defined size on the PRO 10 and still get 11x17 printed image since the 30 mm is on the front and back of the paper. Has anyone tried this before I commit to some expensive paper? Thanks for any comments.

Using Ernie's post, if you don't have cheap 13x22 available, take two sheets of basic 13x19 paper and carefully tape a 13x3 inch piece on the end of the first piece and feed it through. Just be sure to tape the full width so there isn't anything sticking up.

Where you may run into a problem is that the printer driver looks for certain paper sizes when you select Fine Art papers. You already saw that if you try and select A3+ instead of A3+ (30mm margin).

The Pro-100 won't let you print Fine Art on custom sizes.

If this is something that you will doing alot of and you are on a Windows computer (and you are willing to invest in the capability) Qimage Ultimate printing software has a hack the will override the 30mm margin - it works on the Pro-100. If you want to pursue that you could contact the vendor -ddisoftware - and see if it will work for the Pro-10.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

workman25 — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 11:43:19 GMT

Thank you, John for the response. Like the 100, turns out the pro 10 doesn't allow the custom setting for fine art papers. Will look into that other software.

Re: Will Pro-10 print borderless on fine art papers?

workman25 — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 11:45:14 GMT

Good idea, thanks!