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    <title>topic Re: Captured an awesome travel pic lately? in Share Your Photos</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Oh wow! So beautiful,&amp;nbsp;kjblack3126. What an inspiring way to start the day!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 01:14:42 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-10-07T01:14:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Captured an awesome travel pic lately?</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172615#M1</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Share your amazing travel photography! Let us know the Canon gear you used and the story behind the photo.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This beautiful scene in Italy was captured with a Canon&amp;nbsp;EOS 5D Mark III and a Canon&amp;nbsp;EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM lens at f/11, 1/5 sec, ISO 100.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/9561i6AD43BF7C1B09DE2/image-size/original?v=v2&amp;amp;px=-1" border="0" alt="Travel_Italy.jpg" title="Travel_Italy.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 14:39:01 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>lindam</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T14:39:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Captured an awesome travel pic lately?</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172625#M2</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Is that a photograph or a painting? To me, it has "over-Photoshopped" written all over it.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 16:31:03 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>RobertTheFat</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T16:31:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Captured an awesome travel pic lately?</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172636#M3</link>
      <description>I begged to disagree...if you ever watched a lot of sunsets...the colors, tone, and everything else is usually a lot more vivid than shown in this picture...there is no rule to say that you can only use what is recorded by the camera...the goal is to duplicate real life as your eyes see it as much as possible. With that, this picture is not artificial at all...it actually falls a bit short of real life.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 18:02:05 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>diverhank</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T18:02:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Captured an awesome travel pic lately?</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172655#M4</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/8163"&gt;@diverhank&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;FONT color="#003366"&gt;I begged to disagree...if you ever watched a lot of sunsets...the colors, tone, and everything else is usually a lot more vivid than shown in this picture...there is no rule to say that you can only use what is recorded by the camera...the goal is to duplicate real life as your eyes see it as much as possible. With that, this picture is not artificial at all...it actually falls a bit short of real life.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have indeed watched a lot of sunsets and photographed a fair number of them. In my experience, while the colors in the sunset are often vivid, those in the foreground are not. And I'm pretty sure the tree was added to the scene. The outline of the foliage is too sharp, and there is no evidence at the foot of the tree that a tree has been growing there. Even more tellingly, why doesn't it cast a shadow?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I quite agree that there is no rule that you can't manipulate a scene. But the most successful manipulations either don't call attention to themselves&amp;nbsp;or result in abstract forms that are intentionally recognizable as manipulations. The manipulations that I think I see in this picture meet neither of those criteria.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now if you're the one who&amp;nbsp;took the picture and you tell me it isn't manipulated, I'll have to believe you. Otherwise, I stand by my opinion.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 20:11:45 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>RobertTheFat</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T20:11:45Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172658#M5</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://kameratrollet.se/allt/bild1.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;http://kameratrollet.se/allt/bild1.jpg&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;5D and 17-40 from Hakkenzan in Japan.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 20:50:54 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T20:50:54Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Wow, Peter. That is one incredible view. Do you mind sharing the settings used?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 21:03:47 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T21:03:47Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Canon 5DIII, EF 16-35mm f/2.8L, f/11, 20sec, ISO 200 - Saigon (HCM City) By Night&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/9562i1130C1229A2223DF/image-size/original?v=v2&amp;amp;px=-1" border="0" alt="22771467189_4c45c70ee5_z.jpg" title="22771467189_4c45c70ee5_z.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 21:25:21 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>diverhank</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-11T21:25:21Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Diverhank, the lights bring a great sense of energy to this photo, especially with the blue building that catches the eye. Thanks so much for sharing!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 00:18:57 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T00:18:57Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172678#M9</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/19"&gt;@Jason&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;Wow, Peter. That is one incredible view. Do you mind sharing the settings used?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;TABLE cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;TABLE cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;Manual&amp;nbsp;exposure, 1/8&amp;nbsp;sec, f/16, ISO&amp;nbsp;100 and 22 mm. Edited in Darktable and GIMP.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 05:14:22 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T05:14:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Captured an awesome travel pic lately?</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172702#M10</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Bob from Boston,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;" it has "over-Photoshopped" written all over it."&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;If a little is good, so, a lot must be better. Unfortunately&amp;nbsp;that sentiment is seemly prevalent when using the sliders in PS.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Not trying to say that is a bad thing depending on what the photographer&amp;nbsp;wanted to convey. &amp;nbsp;After all HDR is getting more and more popular.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 14:25:36 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ebiggs1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T14:25:36Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172715#M11</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/3485"&gt;@ebiggs1&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#003366"&gt;Bob from Boston,&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#003366"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;" it has "over-Photoshopped" written all over it."&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#003366"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;If a little is good, so, a lot must be better. Unfortunately&amp;nbsp;that sentiment is seemly prevalent when using the sliders in PS.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#003366"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#003366"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Not trying to say that is a bad thing depending on what the photographer&amp;nbsp;wanted to convey. &amp;nbsp;After all HDR is getting more and more popular.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Yeah, but the best HDR shots don't call attention to their dynamic range; you have to stop and think to understand what you're seeing. I remember a picture you once posted where you're inside a barn and looking out an open doorway into daylight. Both the indoor and outdoor parts of the scene are properly exposed. It all looks quite natural until you realize that there must&amp;nbsp;have been&amp;nbsp;about a 6-stop difference in brightness between indoors and outdoors.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 17:00:19 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>RobertTheFat</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T17:00:19Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Bob from Boston,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I do agree with you. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. &amp;nbsp;I heard that somewhere?&lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://community.usa.canon.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.png" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 22:18:45 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ebiggs1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T22:18:45Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/9568iBA7FBA7234B1534E/image-size/original?v=v2&amp;amp;px=-1" border="0" alt="123.jpg" title="123.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 22:31:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172746#M14</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/9569iC6EAA8AC7EAA1D3D/image-size/original?v=v2&amp;amp;px=-1" border="0" alt="456.jpg" title="456.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 22:32:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ebiggs1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T22:32:32Z</dc:date>
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      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Captured-an-awesome-travel-pic-lately/m-p/172748#M15</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;OK one that isn't HDR.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/9570i9F7DEC1139DB1DD2/image-size/original?v=v2&amp;amp;px=-1" border="0" alt="789.jpg" title="789.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 22:33:41 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ebiggs1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-12T22:33:41Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Beautiful work, ebiggs1! We love the dramatic atmosphere of the first two, and&amp;nbsp;you've captured the beauty of nature so well on the third. Keep up the great work!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 00:16:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-13T00:16:34Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I cna't give any exif data on the first two as they are multiple exposures. The Sugar Maples are as follows, 7D with ef 24-105mm f4L IS USM. &amp;nbsp;Shot at 24mm, f9, 1/160 @ ISO 160.&amp;nbsp;Evaluative and sRGB.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 00:27:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ebiggs1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-13T00:27:32Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/9571iD48C9B7534710E54/image-size/original?v=v2&amp;amp;px=-1" border="0" alt="123.jpg" title="123.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;5D Mk II with ef 70-200mm f2.8L IS II USM. &amp;nbsp;70mm, f11, 1/320, ISO 320.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 00:51:51 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>ebiggs1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-13T00:51:51Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;What a gorgeous view! There's so much to admire about it, and the reflection makes it twice as beautiful!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 01:03:55 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-13T01:03:55Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;I think it's a bit sad when a thread on photographs becomes a discussion about HDR and whether it's a valid form of photography.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I remember when I switched from film to digital and the purists would argue that ANY interference from Photoshop destroyed the art. It's all a matter of degree.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If a particular individual's preference for highly stylised HDR offends you then that is your opinion and perhaps you are missing the point. Infra red, black and white, soft focus, even polarised are all techniques that alter the final image away from the original scene. HDR is the new kid on the block and could be argued is introducing a new art form distinct from old school photography.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Personally I love using Lightroom and&amp;nbsp;Photoshop to produce an image of which I am proud. It isn't neccessarily just an exercise in faithfully reproducing the subject to the n'th degree.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2016 08:07:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Holymoly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-13T08:07:34Z</dc:date>
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