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Is there Much Difference in Quality and FoV?

Tronhard — Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:41:06 GMT

All that has been done is to drastically downsize the images for posting, in part by using a 1:1 format on both. These were taken within seconds of each other, of the same bird (a Takahe), in patchy available light, hand-held.

To me there is very little difference between the two images, so one can get the same FoV and general performance by using a large capacity camera, and putting it in crop mode with the short FL lens.

EOS R5, RF 100-500 1.6x crop 567mm(equivalent), f/9, 1/250sec, ISO-3200R6, RF 200-800, 570mm, f/8, 1/640sec, ISO-400

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shadowsports — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 04:01:57 GMT

Great side by side comparison Trevor!

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Tronhard — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 04:23:57 GMT

Thanks Rick. The two system configurations can yield very similar results, depending on the resolution one needs.

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Tintype_18 — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 17:15:03 GMT

Very difference to me but the first one seems to be more vivid and crisper.

Edit: Trevor, you have some unique wildlife in your country. Thanks for sharing the photos in the past and for those in the future.

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Tronhard — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 17:54:28 GMT

Thanks John. Yep, NZ does have unique birdlife and reptiles. I must admit I miss the macro mammals of other parts of the world though!

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JFG — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:17:47 GMT

HI Trevor, I agree with Rick, "great side by side comparison".. I also agree with you, there's very little difference between the two images. The one taken with the RF100-500mm may look a little more vivid, and in my opinion, its only because the red on the beak is showing more, giving it more contrast. This is because the bird is looking to its left and showing more of the red on top of its beak. Meanwhile, in the picture taken with the RF200-800mm, the bird is looking to the right, showing less of the red on the top of its beak, making it seam slightly less vivid (less contrast). As for the body of the bird and its feathers, the two pictures are very close with the RF 200-800mm lens showing a bit more depth of field than the one taken with the RF100-500mm. All in all, the price difference and the additional 300mm, makes the RF200-800mm a very desirable lens, in my opinion.

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Tronhard — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:54:45 GMT

Thanks for your observations Joe:
I think the difference in richness of the beak is, in part because it's in a bright patch of the light on it, whereas the other image has the beak in a shadowed area. Also, the beaks are not absolutely symmetrically coloured, and one side may be more worn because the birds seem to have a left or right bias as far as digging with their beaks (like our left/right hand biases, but either way, they could be matched if I had made an effort in PP, but then that would have biased the results.

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JFG — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:34:44 GMT

Trevor, your side by side comparison is great the way you did it. No biases whatsoever. Also, it would be great if you did a side by side comparison between the 150-600mm and the 200-800mm.. Just a thought. 😃

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Tronhard — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:37:08 GMT

Hi Joe:
Sadly, I can no longer do that specific comparison, as I sold my copy of the Sigma 150-600c. However, I still have my copy of the Sigma 60-600s, which is a somewhat different beast in many ways, but at the long end has the same FoV, which I did note when using them together. Would you be interested in that?

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JFG — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:48:33 GMT

Yes, I would be interested in that comparison, 60-600mm vs 200-800mm ! I may end up selling my 150-600mm. 😆

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Tronhard — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:08:31 GMT

Hi Joe:
I understand! It may take a bit over a week, as I am immobile at home this week, so will plan to do that next week.

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JFG — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 00:22:52 GMT

Not a problem, when ever you're able and have the time will be fine. I'll be looking forward to it.

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JFG — Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:02:50 GMT

Hi Trevor, its been a while. Hope your find yourself in the best of health. I was just wondering if you got around to doing the comparison between the Sigma 60-600mm and the new Canon 200-800mm.. I'm waiting for Sigma to come out with the RF version of the 60-600 and for Canon to come out with the new R5 Mark Ii.. 😆 However in the meantime I'm on the fence about the RF 200-800 f/6.3-9 because of the f starting so high. I just wonder if one would be able to use it with low sunlight or even at sunset. One thing is that when shooting birds, I'm now experimenting shooting with my lenses wide open and fastest SS possible, so I would be at 6.3 most of the time and letting ISO make up for the difference. Let me know your thoughts, they're always appreciated.

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Tronhard — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 20:41:26 GMT

Hi Joe and thanks for your question.
I must admit I have been a bit distracted of late, due to a commitment to provide voluntary photographic support for an academic medical research program at my local university.
I have not specifically looked at comparing the Sigma 60-600 against the RF 200-800 at this stage. For me, the comparison between the RF 100-500 f/4.5-7.1 with a body on 1.6x crop was to see how to get the same Equivalent focal ranges by using an APS-C camera (or in this case my R5 in 1.6 crop mode), and thus rendering a FoV of 160-800mm with an Equivalent f/stop of f/7- 11, and seeking comparison to a FF camera using the 200-800 f/6.3 - 9 - i.e. they both have very similar Equivalent ranges.

Although one could argue that while the aperture range on the 100-500 is not physically going to change (which it obviously will not) the depth of field achieved will, hence the Equivalent values FWIW.
Something I did not investigate, because I don't have the gear, is the performance of the RF 100-500 on a FF body with the RF 1.4x Extender. However, this has been approached by several people on You Tube in reviews, for example, this video by Fabian Fopp:
RF200-800 vs RF100-500 + 1.4? Which one is the better option for YOU? Real World Comparison (youtube.com)
and a list of others:
DUMP The 100-500 OR Can TELECONVERTERS Make The DIFFERENCE? Canon RF 200-800 vs RF 100-500 Review (youtube.com)

However, to go back to your specific question. I am happy to have a go in comparing the two when I get the chance, which MAY happen over the Easter weekend (I have a bit of processing to do and recovery from a medical procedure). In that case, I would be using the R5 with the 200-800 in normal FF mode on an R6II, and the Sigma 60-600s on the R5 in 1.3 crop mode, rendering a FoV Equivalent to 78-780mm, and both producing images in the range of 24MP, which is pretty close. I will also take an image of the 60-600 in FF mode at 600mm compared to the 800 of the 200-800 to show you the difference.

Would that be acceptable?

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JFG — Fri, 29 Mar 2024 01:42:00 GMT

Yes, that would be great as one will get a very good comparison of the RF 200-800 using the R5 cropped and at 24 mega pixels along with the Sigman 60-600 using the R6 MII to more or less match the FoV. I look forward to seeing the results.

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Tronhard — Thu, 16 May 2024 20:04:12 GMT

Just came back to this! Thanks John for your insight and appreciation. TBH, there is really not much in it and the variation could sit well within how the camera was held, the specific settings and the light.

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Tronhard — Thu, 16 May 2024 20:41:17 GMT

Hi Joe:
Major apologies for not getting back to you on this specifically. It's been a challenging time, health-wise so I have been somewhat preoccupied with that and a project for a medical research team.
I think I posted this elsewhere, but regarding your specific request, here are two images of the same individual tiger, taken in two different places (so the light is from a different direction) but with the Sigma 60-600 and the 200-800, both on the same camera and cropped to the same degree for comparison. You should view the images opened as the view from this page is not high enough resolution to see how sharp the images are.
The direction of the light impacts the eyes of the tiger's first image as it is looking into the light, so the pupils are narrower and there are reflections on the eyes, which gives a different impression.

R6II, Sigma 60-600s@328mm, f/8, 1/500sec, ISO-6400

R6II, RF 200-800@311mm, f/7.1, 1/320sec, ISO-6400

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JFG — Fri, 17 May 2024 06:41:27 GMT

Hi Trevor, good to hear from you and to know that your hanging in there. I like the comparison of the tiger shot with the Sigma 60-600mm and the Canon 200-800mm. I know that both pictures were taken at different times and place, under different lighting constraints. However if I were to choose I'd take the second picture, taken with the Canon 200-800mm. They are both pretty close but the second picture is more attractive. I think its because of the contrast and color saturation seems to be a bit more vivid. For the time being, I'm waiting for the R5 M2 to come out and at what price. If it's to much I'll go with R5 as it has come down to USD $2899.00 for now. It may come down a bit more once the R5 M2 hits the market. Then I'll go with the Canon RF 200-800mm and I'll be set for a long time. I been shooting birds in the wild and posted them under the heading "Song Birds on our fence".. Let me know what you think of them. Good to hear from you, as always 🙂

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Tronhard — Fri, 17 May 2024 00:14:46 GMT

Thanks Joe for being patient. Glad you got something out of the comparison, which is not truly scientific, but neither is nature photography!
I shall check out your photo's - thanks for letting me know.

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JFG — Sun, 19 May 2024 00:02:13 GMT

Hi Trevor, I look forward to your thoughts and comments on my "Birds on our fence" pictures. I noticed that Canon officially announced the release date of the EOS R1 camera. I thought that Canon would announce the release date for the R5 M2 first. Go figure! 😆