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    <title>topic Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits in Share Your Photos</title>
    <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/442861#M3726</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks Rick! Much appreciated.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:44:59 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Tronhard</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2023-10-24T19:44:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/442858#M3724</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Going grey for animals can add the same focus on character that we tend to associate with similar images of people - very much demonstrated by Sabastio Salgado in his amazing book Genesis.&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="EOS 5DsR, EF 100-400@267mm, f/6.3, 1/320sec, ISO-1000" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46255iCE773147793CCCF9/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="5DIV1458 M copy.jpg" alt="EOS 5DsR, EF 100-400@267mm, f/6.3, 1/320sec, ISO-1000" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;EOS 5DsR, EF 100-400@267mm, f/6.3, 1/320sec, ISO-1000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Almost B+W EOS 5DsR, Sigma 150-600@403mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-320" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46258i8979BE60AC9B773C/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="5DIV1586 copy.jpg" alt="Almost B+W EOS 5DsR, Sigma 150-600@403mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-320" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;Almost B+W EOS 5DsR, Sigma 150-600@403mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-320&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="EOS 5DsR, Sigma150-600@510mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-1600" style="width: 320px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46256i679DE0E7D3F21517/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="5DIV1405 M copy.jpg" alt="EOS 5DsR, Sigma150-600@510mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-1600" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;EOS 5DsR, Sigma150-600@510mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-1600&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="EOS 5DsR, Sigma150-600@410mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-400" style="width: 325px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46257i531D56453C265518/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="5DIV1488 M copy.jpg" alt="EOS 5DsR, Sigma150-600@410mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-400" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;EOS 5DsR, Sigma150-600@410mm, f/6.3, 1/500sec, ISO-400&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="EOS 5DsR, EF 100-400@267mm, f/6.3, 1/320sec, ISO-1000" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46259iACE4E0C7DAB7D4E2/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="5DIV1552 C copy.jpg" alt="EOS 5DsR, EF 100-400@267mm, f/6.3, 1/320sec, ISO-1000" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;EOS 5DsR, EF 100-400@267mm, f/6.3, 1/320sec, ISO-1000&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:32:52 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Tronhard</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-10-24T19:32:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/442860#M3725</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Nice work!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:41:40 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>rs-eos</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-10-24T19:41:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/442861#M3726</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks Rick! Much appreciated.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:44:59 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/442861#M3726</guid>
      <dc:creator>Tronhard</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-10-24T19:44:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/442951#M3727</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Very nice. Shooting in B&amp;amp;W can have some intriguing effects. I can recall when that B&amp;amp;W was the only thing available. Have a box full of old photos from the distant past.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 12:33:06 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Tintype_18</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-10-25T12:33:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/443190#M3728</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Trevor, pondering the title of your post. Is there a difference in grey and black &amp;amp; white? If so, is there a way to get the effect you display?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 12:04:33 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Tintype_18</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-10-27T12:04:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/443209#M3729</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Trevor,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Very nice!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:31:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>shadowsports</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-10-27T14:31:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Going Grey for Animal Portraits</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Share-Your-Photos/Going-Grey-for-Animal-Portraits/m-p/443266#M3730</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks for asking John.&amp;nbsp; I foreshortened the term Greyscale, I must admit, but the term is used carefully (some may say pedantically) - BTW, Adobe use the term in their menu system for PS, so it's not just me.&amp;nbsp; The terms monochrome, greyscale and black and white are used somewhat loosely and interchangeably, but they are &lt;EM&gt;actually&lt;/EM&gt; different.&amp;nbsp; Let me explain...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We are creatures of colour. Our world is observed and mediated in colour during the day, but in the dark we actually see in the tones between black and white. As such, it is somewhat alien for us to see the world and express it using non-colour media, yet this is what the early photographers had to do.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As an exercise, shooting without colour offers benefits to us to really learn to understand metering, because the camera's meter does not so much consider colour as the reflectance of light from objects in the scene, which is essentially what the greyscale is about. We, on the other hand, can be fooled by our perception of the colour of the scenes we see, so it takes practise to improve our metering and work with tonal values rather than colour.&amp;nbsp; This is ably demonstrated by two image taken by&amp;nbsp;Sandy Skoglund.&amp;nbsp; At first look, the fish appear brighter, but when the scene is stripped of its pigments, but otherwise untouched, the tonal differences are actually minimal.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Sandy Skoglund, 1981" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46314iF225863AC60C6F3C/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="sandy-skoglund_revenge-of-the-goldfish-1.jpeg" alt="Sandy Skoglund, 1981" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;Sandy Skoglund, 1981&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Sandy Skoglund, 1981" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46315i9B6F2D98B7F8EBAE/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="sandy-skoglund_revenge-of-the-goldfish-2.jpeg" alt="Sandy Skoglund, 1981" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;Sandy Skoglund, 1981&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So, because this does not come to us naturally, we have to concentrate on honing our skills in seeing without colour. A trick to assist may be to switch the camera's scenic mode to what it may call monochrome and you will see the images in tones of grey, which will be recorded on the JPG images. Some people shoot like that whenever they want to produce non-colour images, but if one can get used to it, one will have more flexibility by metering and shooting in colour and then using post processing to manipulate the RGB to precise control contrast and tonal values.&amp;nbsp; One solution is to shoot in both JPG for greyscale, as well as RAW, which will retain all the colour data for later processing.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Defining Terms:&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;MONOCHROME:&lt;/STRONG&gt; literally means of &lt;EM&gt;one&lt;/EM&gt; colour, and the critical thing here is that it CAN be in colour but only &lt;EM&gt;one.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Technically, white is not a single colour. It is the sum of &lt;EM&gt;all&lt;/EM&gt; colours of the visible spectrum mixed together. Black, on the other hand, is not a colour because it lacks light to begin with.&amp;nbsp; In the two examples below, there is only one colour in various shades along with white and black - so these would be considered monochrome.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="EOS 7D, 105mm, f/8, 1/3200, ISO-200" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/44871iFDF8882F21503EB6/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Canada BC Victoria Juan de Fuca Strait 01.jpg" alt="EOS 7D, 105mm, f/8, 1/3200, ISO-200" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;EOS 7D, 105mm, f/8, 1/3200, ISO-200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="EOS 60D, 500mm, f/10, 1/250sec, ISO-200" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/44869i75E3D71039D3B958/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Canada BC Victoria Cole Bay waves.jpg" alt="EOS 60D, 500mm, f/10, 1/250sec, ISO-200" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;EOS 60D, 500mm, f/10, 1/250sec, ISO-200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;GREYSCALE:&lt;/STRONG&gt; Defined a &lt;EM&gt;subset&lt;/EM&gt; of monochrome, where there is no colour at all, but the tonal values range from white, through varying degrees of grey, to black. This is often less accurately called either monochrome or black and white, but I hope you understand the difference.&amp;nbsp; The images I posted are all considered greyscale.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Tronhard_0-1698428739381.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/46316iE1511F07D23BF574/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Tronhard_0-1698428739381.png" alt="Tronhard_0-1698428739381.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;BLACK &amp;amp; WHITE:&lt;/STRONG&gt; This is a subset of Greyscale, where the are only two tones present: &lt;EM&gt;pure&lt;/EM&gt; white, or &lt;EM&gt;pure&lt;/EM&gt; black - no greys.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;This is surprisingly hard to generate, as few objects are both so diverse and extreme at the same time. This concept is embraced by the Japanese idea of 'Notan', which means Light/Dark Harmony - and is notable by:&lt;BR /&gt;- Structured lights and darks&lt;BR /&gt;- An organic design&lt;BR /&gt;- An interesting pattern&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Notan does allow for various degrees: that give some flexibility for tonal values, but in its strictest sense (which I take here) it is only &lt;EM&gt;pure&lt;/EM&gt; black and &lt;EM&gt;pure&lt;/EM&gt; white - &lt;EM&gt;no &lt;/EM&gt;colour or grey tones &lt;EM&gt;at all&lt;/EM&gt;.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="M5, EF-M 18-55@" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/44873i5DAC66EC55B326CE/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="#5 Waiting 2 Go.jpg" alt="M5, EF-M 18-55@" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;M5, EF-M 18-55@&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;These all have one thing in common, although to varying degrees. By removing the impact of colour, we concentrate on tonal values, textures, patterns, form and play of light.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;WATCH THIS VIDEO:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;div class="video-embed-center video-embed"&gt;&lt;iframe class="embedly-embed" src="https://cdn.embedly.com/widgets/media.html?src=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fembed%2FV8Hh8S-Z68s%3Ffeature%3Doembed&amp;amp;display_name=YouTube&amp;amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV8Hh8S-Z68s&amp;amp;image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FV8Hh8S-Z68s%2Fhqdefault.jpg&amp;amp;type=text%2Fhtml&amp;amp;schema=youtube" width="200" height="112" scrolling="no" title="Seeing in Black and White with Eileen Rafferty" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; fullscreen; encrypted-media; picture-in-picture;" allowfullscreen="true"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Although, Eileen Rafferty often uses the more colloquial term 'black and white', whereas by the definitions above, I would call most of her examples 'greyscale'. That said, the video is an excellent primer on the subject and worth the investment of your time.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:39:40 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Tronhard</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-11-14T18:39:40Z</dc:date>
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