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    <title>topic First experience with Canon tech support for new printer was very bad in Office Printers</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm not complaining so much, as expressing amazement.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Ran into a print problem installing a brand new MF644Cdw printer.&amp;nbsp; Print from PCs would fail "out of paper", however copy and print from USB work.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My triage indicated a problem with the driver or the print job properties.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was a bit surprised to find out that Canon only provided phone help during weekdays, for 8 hours or so.&amp;nbsp; Within an hour the call wait time was &amp;gt;30 minutes, within 2 hours it was &amp;gt;40 minutes, and within 3 hours was &amp;gt;60 minutes, and stayed that way for the rest of the service hours.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm a product of the period in history when big U.S. companies got a wake-up call from foreign competition.&amp;nbsp; For companies like Motorola and Harley Davidson, the competition came from Japan.&amp;nbsp; For Boeing, it was Airbus.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As management, we were emersed in a period when we had the "benefit" of a real threat.&amp;nbsp; Motorola and Harley were already seeing more highly-priced competitive products taking their loyal market share.&amp;nbsp; The wrinkle that Japanese companies brought was a markedly lower defect rate.&amp;nbsp; Boeing's market share "wake-up" was about cost.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;During that period, about 1980-1995, there was a lot of thinking about "quality" topics, certainly including "customer satisfaction" and "employee satisfaction".&amp;nbsp; These somewhat elusive topics spent most of their early life in the form of "1-Highly Satisfied to 5-Highly Dissatisfied" questionaire/survey.&amp;nbsp; At the time, organizations had limited understanding of how to use the data simply because it was being asked in the context of real threats.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;An important insight into customer and employee satisfaction came when research indicated there was something beyond the 1-5 metric.&amp;nbsp; Customers, for example, had a "loyalty" attribute (I'll buy my shoes at Nordstroms vs. I'll only buy my shoes at Nordstroms).&amp;nbsp; They also had a "disloyality" attribute (I'll never buy....).&amp;nbsp; Calling them "advocates" and "opponents", this emotional attachment had a far greater impact on the company's bottom lime that the difference between a fully satisfied and a fully dissatisfied customer.&amp;nbsp; Advocates and opponents tend to tell their friends.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The analysis also discovered that the best, and perhaps only, points where customers can be moved toward advocate is at the touch points between employees and customers.&amp;nbsp; A help desk is certainly one of those touch points.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My first experience with Canon help and support for intallation issues, has moved me to opponent.&amp;nbsp; It's unimaginable that a company with the long history of Canon, tolerate call service performance I experienced.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As an opponent, one of the options I'm considering is just returning the printer.&amp;nbsp; In the bigger scheme of things, its $300 price makes it of low impact, but, it becomes part of the story of Canon I'll tell.&amp;nbsp; I've already contaminated my wife, who also was a manager during the same quality "revolution".&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The tragedy is the link found between employee and customer satisfaction: they can't be managed separately.&amp;nbsp; As powerful as my experience was, I can only imagine a very horrible place in Canon to work.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is the second laser for our home use, and the first all-in-one printer.&amp;nbsp; We had a Lexmark that ran great for close to a decade.&amp;nbsp; Had both the option to buy again from Lexmark or stop into a local office supply (Staples).&amp;nbsp; One day, was in a local Staples, and bought the printer plus a complete ink set.&amp;nbsp; Had it shipped directly to the home.&amp;nbsp; Pretty heavy, but got it up to where the old laser was.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Bought the Staples maintenance plan, so actually tried them before trying Canon.&amp;nbsp; The interface was chat, but they kinda stopped responding as I described the issue and the testing.&amp;nbsp; Not only does Canon tech support suck, so does the one provided by one of your retailers.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Everything smells of a company that has no customer satisfaction culture, which also means, no employee satisfaction culture.&amp;nbsp; Why would I want to support such an organization by buying their products?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You've created a highly dissatisfied opponent.&amp;nbsp; And, if I can't figure out the problem in the next few days, you'll also get your printer back (scarp and rework) and lose the future supply revenues.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:55:08 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Livingston</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2020-01-07T14:55:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>First experience with Canon tech support for new printer was very bad</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Office-Printers/First-experience-with-Canon-tech-support-for-new-printer-was/m-p/292136#M10156</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm not complaining so much, as expressing amazement.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Ran into a print problem installing a brand new MF644Cdw printer.&amp;nbsp; Print from PCs would fail "out of paper", however copy and print from USB work.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My triage indicated a problem with the driver or the print job properties.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was a bit surprised to find out that Canon only provided phone help during weekdays, for 8 hours or so.&amp;nbsp; Within an hour the call wait time was &amp;gt;30 minutes, within 2 hours it was &amp;gt;40 minutes, and within 3 hours was &amp;gt;60 minutes, and stayed that way for the rest of the service hours.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm a product of the period in history when big U.S. companies got a wake-up call from foreign competition.&amp;nbsp; For companies like Motorola and Harley Davidson, the competition came from Japan.&amp;nbsp; For Boeing, it was Airbus.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As management, we were emersed in a period when we had the "benefit" of a real threat.&amp;nbsp; Motorola and Harley were already seeing more highly-priced competitive products taking their loyal market share.&amp;nbsp; The wrinkle that Japanese companies brought was a markedly lower defect rate.&amp;nbsp; Boeing's market share "wake-up" was about cost.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;During that period, about 1980-1995, there was a lot of thinking about "quality" topics, certainly including "customer satisfaction" and "employee satisfaction".&amp;nbsp; These somewhat elusive topics spent most of their early life in the form of "1-Highly Satisfied to 5-Highly Dissatisfied" questionaire/survey.&amp;nbsp; At the time, organizations had limited understanding of how to use the data simply because it was being asked in the context of real threats.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;An important insight into customer and employee satisfaction came when research indicated there was something beyond the 1-5 metric.&amp;nbsp; Customers, for example, had a "loyalty" attribute (I'll buy my shoes at Nordstroms vs. I'll only buy my shoes at Nordstroms).&amp;nbsp; They also had a "disloyality" attribute (I'll never buy....).&amp;nbsp; Calling them "advocates" and "opponents", this emotional attachment had a far greater impact on the company's bottom lime that the difference between a fully satisfied and a fully dissatisfied customer.&amp;nbsp; Advocates and opponents tend to tell their friends.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The analysis also discovered that the best, and perhaps only, points where customers can be moved toward advocate is at the touch points between employees and customers.&amp;nbsp; A help desk is certainly one of those touch points.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My first experience with Canon help and support for intallation issues, has moved me to opponent.&amp;nbsp; It's unimaginable that a company with the long history of Canon, tolerate call service performance I experienced.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As an opponent, one of the options I'm considering is just returning the printer.&amp;nbsp; In the bigger scheme of things, its $300 price makes it of low impact, but, it becomes part of the story of Canon I'll tell.&amp;nbsp; I've already contaminated my wife, who also was a manager during the same quality "revolution".&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The tragedy is the link found between employee and customer satisfaction: they can't be managed separately.&amp;nbsp; As powerful as my experience was, I can only imagine a very horrible place in Canon to work.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is the second laser for our home use, and the first all-in-one printer.&amp;nbsp; We had a Lexmark that ran great for close to a decade.&amp;nbsp; Had both the option to buy again from Lexmark or stop into a local office supply (Staples).&amp;nbsp; One day, was in a local Staples, and bought the printer plus a complete ink set.&amp;nbsp; Had it shipped directly to the home.&amp;nbsp; Pretty heavy, but got it up to where the old laser was.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Bought the Staples maintenance plan, so actually tried them before trying Canon.&amp;nbsp; The interface was chat, but they kinda stopped responding as I described the issue and the testing.&amp;nbsp; Not only does Canon tech support suck, so does the one provided by one of your retailers.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Everything smells of a company that has no customer satisfaction culture, which also means, no employee satisfaction culture.&amp;nbsp; Why would I want to support such an organization by buying their products?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You've created a highly dissatisfied opponent.&amp;nbsp; And, if I can't figure out the problem in the next few days, you'll also get your printer back (scarp and rework) and lose the future supply revenues.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:55:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Office-Printers/First-experience-with-Canon-tech-support-for-new-printer-was/m-p/292136#M10156</guid>
      <dc:creator>Livingston</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-07T14:55:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: First experience with Canon tech support for new printer was very bad</title>
      <link>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Office-Printers/First-experience-with-Canon-tech-support-for-new-printer-was/m-p/317697#M11933</link>
      <description>Really...REALLY...R-E-A-L-L-Y well-written!!!!!!!</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:46:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/Office-Printers/First-experience-with-Canon-tech-support-for-new-printer-was/m-p/317697#M11933</guid>
      <dc:creator>billbsocal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-08-28T18:46:54Z</dc:date>
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