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Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

cciga — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:00:07 GMT

Hello everyone, I am looking into getting my first ever camera and was hoping to get a suggestion or two. I want to be able to use it in low light conditions like star gazing if possible but the main reason would be to use on vacation, sight seeing. I personally found the DxO One which for the price of $500 not sure if the size would outweigh the specs of the camera for that price. I also was suggested the Sony A6000, $550.

I was hoping to get some suggestions for a first time buy at or around the same price range as the two cameras as above from Canon.

Thank you for your help!

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

TTMartin — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:38:55 GMT

@cciga wrote:
Hello everyone, I am looking into getting my first ever camera and was hoping to get a suggestion or two. I want to be able to use it in low light conditions like star gazing if possible but the main reason would be to use on vacation, sight seeing. I personally found the DxO One which for the price of $500 not sure if the size would outweigh the specs of the camera for that price. I also was suggested the Sony A6000, $550.

I was hoping to get some suggestions for a first time buy at or around the same price range as the two cameras as above from Canon.

Thank you for your help!

My personal opinion it the DxO One is an overpriced gimmicky point and shoot camera.

On the Canon side I would consider the PowerShot G7 X Refurbished ($449.99) direct from Canon with one year warranty.

As far as the Sony A6000 this is where Canon becomes the clearly better choice. When it comes to interchangeable lens cameras, Canon has the best lens value out there. Canon's STM lenses offer outstanding image quality, at an unbeatable price.

The EOS Rebel SL1 with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lens Kit Black Refurbished ($329.99) direct from Canon with one year warranty.

The SL1 received DPReviews Gold Award and was selected as their 'Camera of the Year'.

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

cciga — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:43:07 GMT

Thank you for your help! The DxO definitely would not be my first choice unless I really wanted something super portable. I did actually find that SL1 and was very interested in it. I know this is a Canon forum but is there an equivalent to that from Nikon or Sony? Just to compare

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

TTMartin — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:55:03 GMT

@cciga wrote:
Thank you for your help! The DxO definitely would not be my first choice unless I really wanted something super portable. I did actually find that SL1 and was very interested in it. I know this is a Canon forum but is there an equivalent to that from Nikon or Sony? Just to compare

Nothing from Nikon or Sony can compare to the value of the SL1 refurbished direct from Canon. That is simply an amazing deal. The EF-S 18-55 IS STM lens alone is worth $250. And despite being a 'kit' lens, it has outstanding image quality. The combination of the two offers a lightweight relatively compact system, that opens you up to the entire Canon EF and EF-S lens line. As I mentioned all the STM lenses offer superior image quality for the money. So when you decide you want to add a ultra-wide angle lens, or a telephoto zoom, your savings just keep adding up with Canon.

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

cciga — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:58:57 GMT

Thank you so much! Just my last question would be, the Sl1 is a good low level light camera for entry level right? Also I did some digging the past few minutes. I do understand the value is a lot better for the SL1 but a few reviews show the D3300 from Nikon is better in specs? Can I ask what do you think of the D3300 compared to the SL1? Or is it not even worth the headache of googling? Again thanks for your help

The review that said it was better - http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-Rebel-SL1-vs-Nikon-D3300/detailed

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

TTMartin — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:23:50 GMT

@cciga wrote:
Thank you so much! Just my last question would be, the Sl1 is a good low level light camera for entry level right? Also I did some digging the past few minutes. I do understand the value is a lot better for the SL1 but a few reviews show the D3300 from Nikon is better in specs? Can I ask what do you think of the D3300 compared to the SL1? Or is it not even worth the headache of googling? Again thanks for your help

The review that said it was better - http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-Rebel-SL1-vs-Nikon-D3300/detailed

Snapsort compares factors that really aren't all that important. Once you have more than 12 megapixels (after cropping) megapixels are a meaningless marketing number. Also for low light you will be using higher ISOs. Canon has always excelled at high ISO's. Snapsort also uses scores from a testing site that uses their own software to convert the RAW files. Sony and Nikon have some processing 'baked' into their RAW files, that make them perform better on those tests. When the same preprocessing that is 'baked' into the other cameras RAW files is done to the Canon RAW files, there is little to no discernible difference between the image quality and performance of the cameras.

I started as a Nikon digital shooter and am now firmly and happily a Canon shooter. I also use to be a big Sony fan for other consumer electronics. In my opinion and experience Sony has issues with product support and corporate resposibility, so I wouldn't even consider buying a high end camera from them.

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

RobertTheFat — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:39:49 GMT

@cciga wrote:
Thank you so much! Just my last question would be, the Sl1 is a good low level light camera for entry level right? Also I did some digging the past few minutes. I do understand the value is a lot better for the SL1 but a few reviews show the D3300 from Nikon is better in specs? Can I ask what do you think of the D3300 compared to the SL1? Or is it not even worth the headache of googling? Again thanks for your help

The review that said it was better - http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-Rebel-SL1-vs-Nikon-D3300/detailed

You have to take the long view. If your first camera may be your last camera, its low-light capability may be an important consideration. But no entry-level camera is going to have really good LL capability. So if you plan to move up the ladder, overall system criteria, such as the quality of a manufacturer's lenses, higher-level cameras, and customer support, should probably carry more weight. One thing you don't want to do, all else being anywhere near equal, is switch manufacturers along the way, thereby obsoleting all your current equipment.

To illustrate that last point ...

Shortly after my wife and I got married, her aging Sears Tower 35mm camera crapped out. When I asked her what camera she wanted to replace it, her eminently sensible answer was immediate: "One that can use your [Nikon] lenses."

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

cciga — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:24:10 GMT

Awesome, thanks so much for your help. The SL1 it is then. Thank you!

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

ScottyP — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:33:54 GMT

I think you'll be happy with this for a first camera. I was going to suggest a newer but more entry level T6, but then I compared specs and the SL1 is just better.

I encourage you to get started right by understanding the simple but central concept of photography: exposure, and the "exposure triangle". This is pretty painless really. There are dozens and dozens of free tutorials on the triangle. Most are just 5 to 10 minutes long. Just look on Google Videos or You Tube, etc. watch about 3 of them, to get it from a few different presenters to be sure it is clear.

Congratulations and good luck!

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

cciga — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:10:29 GMT

@ScottyP wrote:
I think you'll be happy with this for a first camera. I was going to suggest a newer but more entry level T6, but then I compared specs and the SL1 is just better.

I encourage you to get started right by understanding the simple but central concept of photography: exposure, and the "exposure triangle". This is pretty painless really. There are dozens and dozens of free tutorials on the triangle. Most are just 5 to 10 minutes long. Just look on Google Videos or You Tube, etc. watch about 3 of them, to get it from a few different presenters to be sure it is clear.

Congratulations and good luck!

Thank you! Once I buy it I will defintely take a look into that. Anything else simple I could study up on?

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

ScottyP — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:48:15 GMT

@cciga wrote:
@ScottyP wrote:
I think you'll be happy with this for a first camera. I was going to suggest a newer but more entry level T6, but then I compared specs and the SL1 is just better.

I encourage you to get started right by understanding the simple but central concept of photography: exposure, and the "exposure triangle". This is pretty painless really. There are dozens and dozens of free tutorials on the triangle. Most are just 5 to 10 minutes long. Just look on Google Videos or You Tube, etc. watch about 3 of them, to get it from a few different presenters to be sure it is clear.

Congratulations and good luck!

Thank you! Once I buy it I will defintely take a look into that. Anything else simple I could study up on?

There is a book by Bryan Petersen called "Understanding Exposure". It is in most bookstores. It is mostly photos, and it is not a dense technical read; once you've watched a few of the exposure triangle tutorial videos you will know exactly what is going on. He explains how the art and the personal expression come into the thing; there will usually be about 6 "correct" exposures, but you as the artist choose which of them is the "right" exposure for what you want the shot to look like. I remember that this book made that point in my head in a way nothing I had seen previously had. Great book.

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

ScottyP — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:49:45 GMT

And as for additional big purchases, I'd hold off until you know what kind of shooting you like, so you know what other lenses and stuff you will really need. I know it is tempting to buy doo-dads like filters, lens cap leashes, and even extra lenses or tripods. I'd hold off on all, especially the lenses until you know what you need.

Some inexpensive things you almost certainly will be wise to own no matter what would include:

1.) Collapsible reflector. Basically a shiny fabric circle mounted on a round steel hulahoop. Folds up into a little circle with a little pretzel-making hand motion. Cheap as chips and simple as can be, and will allow you to add beautiful fill light.

2.) Microfiber lens cloth in a ziplock plastic baggie. Don't wipe lenses with paper towels, etc... Also really cheap.

3.) Extra memory card. Nothing worse than filling one up and not having another with you.

One more piece of advice I, and lots of people, learned the hard way: Don't pick up a cheap tripod. You will end up just buying another tripod when you realize the cheap one is too flimsy and unsteady. If you need one (not everyone does) expect to pay a couple hundred dollars minimum or more for a good set of legs and a head.

Re: Help With First Ever Camera Purchase

cciga — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 17:09:31 GMT

Thanks for the tips! This will definitely help me when its time. Thank you so much