topic Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes. in General Discussion

Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ilzho — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:21:03 GMT

So I went to local venue and did some quick concert shooting for a few songs with random lighting and found out, it's challenging at times.

Here's a true throw away picture, but I wanted to post it to show any other beginners, what not to do.

For this pic, I had my camera settings in raw, av mode, bbf, 2.8, awb, auto iso limited max to 6400 and tried to set minimum shutter speed to 250. I did something wrong as the minimum shutter speed didn't work.

Also, I used evaluative metering.

Now, I did get some tack sharp images, but I should have going to manual mode, set shutter speed to atleast 250, 2.8, bbf, auto iso and spot metering and I would have had better results.

Just wanted to share my learning experience for anyone else who is trying to learn.... ( I realize most of you all are experts)

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ScottyP — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:47:11 GMT

Do I assume that f/2.8 is the widest your lens goes?

If so, I think I'd have shot in TV mode, because in the dark the camera will not need to be told to open the aperture all the way; it will just do it. Your biggest concern is keeping a fast enough shutter speed. I also think auto ISO is the way to go.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ilzho — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:59:29 GMT

Yes, it was my 70-200 2.8.

I tried a few in tv mode, exposure compensation, but those didn't turn out to my liking.

The background was not always black. The back of the stage was lite, but at an angle you could get the black background....

Good learning experience.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

Waddizzle — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:05:39 GMT

@ilzho wrote:
Yes, it was my 70-200 2.8.
I tried a few in tv mode, exposure compensation, but those didn't turn out to my liking.
The background was not always black. The back of the stage was lite, but at an angle you could get the black background....
Good learning experience.

The posted photo is a great shot, just the same. You're a good learner.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ilzho — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:08:47 GMT

Thanks, I'm trying.

It was a rockabilly show. I love that music....

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ebiggs1 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:57:16 GMT

IMHO, you don't want Tv. You want Av. Av locks the aperture, f2.8, so the camera selects the fastest SS possible. Shoot RAW and forget WB. Fix the ISO to a setting you can libe with, say, 1600.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ilzho — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:13:27 GMT

I always shoot raw and have lightroom to help clean things up.

I shot in AV mode, but set my iso to no more than 6400. Yeah I know it's high, but it was ok.

Those red stage lights, ugh......

Anyway, here's a link to what I took at the Rockabilly show with Wanda Jackson, Gene Summers and Cowhide Cole.

It was fun nonetheless.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

RobertTheFat — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:22:42 GMT

@ilzho wrote:
I always shoot raw and have lightroom to help clean things up.
I shot in AV mode, but set my iso to no more than 6400. Yeah I know it's high, but it was ok.
Those red stage lights, ugh......
Anyway, here's a link to what I took at the Rockabilly show with Wanda Jackson, Gene Summers and Cowhide Cole.
It was fun nonetheless.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskDS3bPH

Some of those are pretty darned good, but there's too much similarity and repetition. You should weed them down a fair amount. Find a set of pictures that all look similar; pick the best one; and dump the rest. There's an important principle operating here: Good pictures don't look their best when displayed alongside lesser pictures; they look best when displayed with other good pictures.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ilzho — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:24:54 GMT

Great advice.

Thanks.

It's hard for me to decide which one is the better of the group, but I understand what you are saying.

I see something that I think is cool, but someone else may not get it......

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

RobertTheFat — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:47:05 GMT

@ilzho wrote:

It's hard for me to decide which one is the better of the group, but I understand what you are saying.
I see something that I think is cool, but someone else may not get it......

Assessing the relative quality of pictures depends on artistic judgement, understanding of photographic principles, and knowledge of your subject. It's difficult, boring, and time consuming, especially for event photography, where the volume of shots to be dealt with can be vast. But it's what separates a good photographer from a mediocre one. Some of it can be taught, but most of it comes from instinct and repetition. Some people can't do it at all, but even those who can usually have to work long and hard to perfect their skill.

From time to time, go back and look over some of your old shots. You'll know you're making progress when you start to cringe at what you see.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ilzho — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:54:09 GMT

My brother (who use to shoot in college) said the same thing, Edit, edit, edit.....

He said instead of 100 photos, I should have 30-40, unless the artist or venue is wanting all or most of the shots....

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

ebiggs1 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:46:33 GMT

I did two Senior shoots and a wedding yesterday, yeah I know I'm retired. I shot around 500+ on the two girls. I shot about a 1000 at the wedding. I had a camera in my hands for 11 hours.

It will take me all week to edit them. Coarse delete, then fine delete, then dups delete. Nobody wants to see the same photo over and over.

Oh, did I mention the car show afterwards? A couple hundred there!

Edit, edit, edit.....................

The life of a photographer.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

RobertTheFat — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:47:52 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
I did two Senior shoots and a wedding yesterday, yeah I know I'm retired. I shot around 500+ on the two girls. I shot about a 1000 at the wedding. I had a camera in my hands for 11 hours.
It will take me all week to edit them. Coarse delete, then fine delete, then dups delete. Nobody wants to see the same photo over and over.

Oh, did I mention the car show afterwards? A couple hundred there!

Edit, edit, edit.....................
The life of a photographer.

And a caveat that applies specifically to weddings: You don't dare accidentally discard the only picture that includes the bride's sister's husband's mother. As sure as you do, somebody will notice.

Re: Concerts are hard to shoot sometimes.

Waddizzle — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:41:42 GMT

"And a caveat that applies specifically to weddings: You don't dare accidentally discard the only picture that includes the bride's sister's husband's mother. As sure as you do, somebody will notice."

Back in 2010 when my son got married, in addition to the usual public wedding album, dozens and dozens of exclusive photos for the bride and groom, the photographer turned over a CD with hundreds of shots he took the day of the wedding, my son said. I guess he just ran a batch job overnight to generate JPEGs, and burnt it to a disk..

The files on the disk were at significantly reduced resolution than the main [very printable] photos, though. The CD files were the ideal size for posting on social media.