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Want Camera Body under $1000

TahoeNV — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 05:46:49 GMT

I want to shoot video of my neighborhood while I drive the area. Also video sitting at my desk. Also shoot interior and exterior stills of houses. Best lense choices would also be helpful. Thanks.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:43:21 GMT

Like most manufacturers, Canon offers cameras at various price points. Each model has advantages and disadvantages over other models.

Lower priced models incorporate design compromises of one type or another. The compromises sacrifice performance in one or more areas. Some are better at video, while another may be better at shooting stills. None of them will excell at everything, which is a privilige reserved for the flagship models.

As far as lens choices for shooting video, you cannot go to far wrong with Canon's "STM" lenses. You may wish to investigage which cameras offer real time auto focus when shooting video, which ones do not, and what type of lenses allow for real time auto focus, and those that do not work well with real time auto focus when shooting video.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

ebiggs1 — Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:05:10 GMT

You want the Rebel T6i. You want the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens. Now that will be well over the grand you wanted to stay under. So if you can't handle that combo you can get the T6i with a kit lens. The EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lens. The camera and lens kit will be about $750.

The first lens is better but the kit lens will do very well for you.

But, and a big but, these are stills cameras. They are not video cameras. They shoot video and they do a remarkable job but they have certain limits and restrictions. It that is important to you, you will need a real true video camera. But it will not so stills as good as the Rebel does vid.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

ebiggs1 — Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:07:28 GMT

BTW, you can get a better 'kit' and still be under the $1000 figure. The Rebel T6i DSLR Camera with 18-55mm and 55-250mm Lenses Kit at about $900.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

RobertTheFat — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:05:49 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
BTW, you can get a better 'kit' and still be under the $1000 figure. The Rebel T6i DSLR Camera with 18-55mm and 55-250mm Lenses Kit at about $900.

What would the 17-55 with a refurbished 70D go for?

(Full disclosure: I'm absolutely down on Rebels because they don't have autofocus microadjustment.)

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:15:59 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
BTW, you can get a better 'kit' and still be under the $1000 figure. The Rebel T6i DSLR Camera with 18-55mm and 55-250mm Lenses Kit at about $900.
What would the 17-55 with a refurbished 70D go for?

(Full disclosure: I'm absolutely down on Rebels because they don't have autofocus microadjustment.)

Less than the kit that Ernie cited. Far less.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-70d-18-55mm-is-stm-kit-refurbished-camera

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-70d-18-135mm-is-stm-kit-refurbished

There are good deals to be had! Highly recommended, all of them. I'm partial towards the 18-135mm kit.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

RobertTheFat — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:22:14 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
BTW, you can get a better 'kit' and still be under the $1000 figure. The Rebel T6i DSLR Camera with 18-55mm and 55-250mm Lenses Kit at about $900.
What would the 17-55 with a refurbished 70D go for?

(Full disclosure: I'm absolutely down on Rebels because they don't have autofocus microadjustment.)
Less than the kit that Ernie cited. Far less.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-70d-18-55mm-is-stm-kit-refurbished-camera

Not the 18-55. The 17-55 f/2.8 that Ernie recommended in his earlier post.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:28:43 GMT

"Not the 18-55. The 17-55 f/2.8 that Ernie recommended in his earlier post."

Oh, duh. I have never seen that lens in a factory kit before.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-17-55-f-28-is-usm-refurbished

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-70d-body-refurbished

The lens and the 70D body are selling for roughly the same price, depending upon the offfer.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

RobertTheFat — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:42:18 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
"Not the 18-55. The 17-55 f/2.8 that Ernie recommended in his earlier post."

Oh, duh. I have never seen that lens in a factory kit before.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-17-55-f-28-is-usm-refurbished

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-70d-body-refurbished

The lens and the 70D body are selling for roughly the same price, depending upon the offfer.

IIRC, I got mine in a kit with my first 7D.

But that's not what I meant to suggest. I was thinking of the OP buying the 17-55 (which can sometimes be found at a good price new) and the refurb 70D separately.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

ebiggs1 — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:22:47 GMT

If you want the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens and a Rebel or xxD, they must be purchased separately. Unless there has been a change made by Canon recently. To be honest I don't follow the Rebel or xxD market very closely. So perhaps Canon does offer it but I doubt it.

Regardless, a xxD and the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens will exceed the $1000 limit so it might be moot.

To me MFA is useless. With the gear I have and use now I don't apply it on anything. Possibly the 1 series and the "L" lenses I have are more closely adjusted at the factory but none of my gear requires it. So like IS, it is a nice to have but not a 'must' have. My Sigma S has the dock. My bag is down to 2 bodies and three lenses with the 8-15 and Siggy S added if the situation warrants them. Because of there opposite design characteristics, I don't usually require both at the same shoot!

Still recommending the Rebel T6i with either kit lens or lenses. It will do basically what the OP said he needed. It meets or beats the $1000 limit.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:57:47 GMT

"Still recommending the Rebel T6i with either kit lens or lenses. It will do basically what the OP said he needed. It meets or beats the $1000 limit."

I would recommend the T6s over the T6i, any day of the week. The extra cost is more than worth it, for the added features.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

kvbarkley — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:00:53 GMT

As an owner of a T6s, I agree.

However, the T6 seems to have something that no other Canon does, and has annoyed me about Canon for a long time. According to Ken Rockwell T6 has:

"White Priority auto white balance mode to get rid of orange color casts when shooting indoors without flash"

Please, Canon, add this to the other T6's with a firmware update!

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:27:43 GMT

@kvbarkley wrote:
As an owner of a T6s, I agree.

However, the T6 seems to have something that no other Canon does, and has annoyed me about Canon for a long time. According to Ken Rockwell T6 has:
"White Priority auto white balance mode to get rid of orange color casts when shooting indoors without flash"

Please, Canon, add this to the other T6's with a firmware update!

But, I would also advise the refurbished 70D over the T6s, though. The AFMA is a powerful feature, especially the implementation on more recent camera models. The original adjustments were single ended, made at just one point, which worked out fine for prime lenses, but was pretty useless for zooms.

A single point adjustment on a zoom does more harm than good. Recent camera models allow one point for primes, and two points for zooms, one setting for the wide end, and another for the telephoto end. Sigma Dock allows for 16 settings on a zoom.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

RobertTheFat — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:09:03 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
If you want the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens and a Rebel or xxD, they must be purchased separately. Unless there has been a change made by Canon recently. To be honest I don't follow the Rebel or xxD market very closely. So perhaps Canon does offer it but I doubt it.
Regardless, a xxD and the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens will exceed the $1000 limit so it might be moot.

To me MFA is useless. With the gear I have and use now I don't apply it on anything. Possibly the 1 series and the "L" lenses I have are more closely adjusted at the factory but none of my gear requires it. So like IS, it is a nice to have but not a 'must' have. My Sigma S has the dock. My bag is down to 2 bodies and three lenses with the 8-15 and Siggy S added if the situation warrants them. Because of there opposite design characteristics, I don't usually require both at the same shoot!

Still recommending the Rebel T6i with either kit lens or lenses. It will do basically what the OP said he needed. It meets or beats the $1000 limit.

AFMA is far from useless, a lesson I learned the hard way. The day after I received my 17-55 and my first 7D, I had to shoot an awards ceremony at one of the local universities. Since the new camera/lens combination represented a significant improvement over my previous equipment, I was eager to get it into production use. I didn't have time to test it, though, so I decided to wing it. When I got back to my office and looked at the pictures, I discovered that they were too OOF to use. Fortunately, I had been using a second camera, as I almost always do at events in order to extend my zoom range, so I managed to avoid looking like a total fool. When I did run tests and calibrated the camera, I found that it required +9 points of AFMA. The lens has given me years of good service since, but it would have been useless on a Rebel.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:33:03 GMT

"AFMA is far from useless, a lesson I learned the hard way."

As much as I like AFMA, I'm going to have to side with Ernie. I'm pretty sure his listed gear, 1D Mark IV and 1Ds Mark III, only allow for one AFMA point with zoom lenses, whiich I think is pretty useless. Zoom lenses need at least a two point AFMA.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

RobertTheFat — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:14:51 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
"AFMA is far from useless, a lesson I learned the hard way."

As much as I like AFMA, I'm going to have to side with Ernie. I'm pretty sure his listed gear, 1D Mark IV and 1Ds Mark III, only allow for one AFMA point with zoom lenses, whiich I think is pretty useless. Zoom lenses need at least a two point AFMA.

IIRC, they tell you to adjust at the lens's long end, because that's where DoF is the smallest.

In any case, AFMA is most likely to be provided on cameras that need it least. I've yet to encounter an "L" lens that required adjustment.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

ebiggs1 — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:30:38 GMT

B from B,

"I've yet to encounter an "L" lens that required adjustment."

I have not either as I already stated. It isn't something I would miss. Just like IS. I like it but I don't 'need' it.

Lenses that are most likely to require MFA are the lesser ones from Canon and third party. My third party lens inventory has shrunk to where I have only the ones I consider worthy or the best they have to offer. The list is not long, I might add.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

Waddizzle — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 21:35:00 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
"AFMA is far from useless, a lesson I learned the hard way."

As much as I like AFMA, I'm going to have to side with Ernie. I'm pretty sure his listed gear, 1D Mark IV and 1Ds Mark III, only allow for one AFMA point with zoom lenses, whiich I think is pretty useless. Zoom lenses need at least a two point AFMA.
IIRC, they tell you to adjust at the lens's long end, because that's where DoF is the smallest.

In any case, AFMA is most likely to be provided on cameras that need it least. I've yet to encounter an "L" lens that required adjustment.

The one point adjustment for zooms doesn't work out in some cases. The only "L" lenses, 70-200 and 100-400, that I have bought that need AFMA came from the Big Blue Box store.

My two refurbs, 24-105 and 16-35, both seem to be dead on, but my 6D may not be. I say that because every lens [depending upon focal length] seems to want to be adjusted by close to the same amount. Meaning if I set test those two lenses at 24mm or 35mm, they both want the same amount of adjustment.

Re: Want Camera Body under $1000

amatula — Fri, 12 Aug 2016 02:30:16 GMT

Hi,

I am a newer DSLR photographer. The photo store I purchased from let me demo just outside the store which was great. I might suggest you try something like that too. Stores also offer overnight demos too (demo for a day for a low cost). I really suggest that. No matter what anyone else thinks, we all have our personal preferences.

For instance, I am petite and the Canon Rebel SL1 works great in my hands. But I am sure not many would recommend it (unless ther person also was petite). The common complaint I have read is: it is too small for my hands.

So, I hope with the feedback you receive you use that to perhaps come up with a list of cameras/lens to demo and go that route. It will save you money.

And also try something somone has not mentioned.

Reviews and opinions are helpful to a degree but the best opinion/review should come from you.

Annie