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How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Fri, 28 Nov 2014 06:46:26 GMT

I'm trying to figure out how I can use my 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II simultaneously (with cords). I know I can use two of them at the same time, but the problem is I don't see a PC Sync port on my 70D where I can attach the third one. Is it there but I'm just not seeing it?

And does anyone have any advice on how I can use all three of these flashes at the same time?

Thanks

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

MikeSowsun — Sat, 29 Nov 2014 23:42:12 GMT

There is no PC port on a 70D. The Yongnuo 568 EX II can be used a a slave just like the 580EX or 580EX II. Why do you want to use a connecting cord?

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 00:44:37 GMT

Thanks for the reply. As for why I want to use connecting cords, it's because it's a lot simpler for a beginner and I haven't gotten to the parts yet in the books I'm reading right now that explain how to do it wirelessly. From what I've read thus far, it seems intimidating so I thought I'd start out with cords and then move on to doing it wirelessly. I wasn't even sure I could use two of them as slaves until you said so too.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

MikeSowsun — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:25:22 GMT

You can fire all three flashes at the same time using the pop up flash on your 70D as Master. Try watching this video to get a better idea on how this works: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=70d+wirelss+flash

You can also search out 60D videos as it works the same way:

httphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4evXmUoiMs://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4evXmUoiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gefc3jgBXk

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:54:38 GMT

I don't have the Yongnuo 568 EX II but you can use as many 580 EX II's as you want wireless. As long as they can "see" each other and they are not too far apart. It is way easier than PC cords. But in the event you don't think so, you can buy a PC-hot shoe adapter. Click me.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:19:38 GMT

Thanks for those links. That helps. I may have to watch them a couple of times though to figure them out fully 🙂

The "groups" thing has be kinda confused, and there may be some other questions I have too once I try setting it up... hopefully not. We'll see...

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:23:27 GMT

The Yongnuo is supposed to be just like the 580 EX II. That's what I've heard from a couple other camera buffs anyway. But the manual is near impossible to decipher as it was written by a non-native English speaker. I'm glad you think wireless is easier than cords though. maybe it won't be so hard to set up wirelessly after all. This is the cord I bought a few days ago: http://www.ebay.com/itm/131279358420?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

ebiggs1 — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:24:25 GMT

That is an off camera flash adaptor. Not really a hot shoe to PC adaptor but I suppose you could get it to work. I still think you should try the wireless route. It really is less difficult.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:40:04 GMT

Thanks I'll try setting things up wirelessly when I get a chance. You may hear back from me if I have a problem though This is all new to me 😉

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Skirball — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:55:58 GMT

Once you figure out wireless it's really not that difficult. Just a matter of getting things set up properly.

If you want eTTL then get the Yongnuo RF-622 ($70 per set), if you're fine in manual only get either the Yongnuo RF-602 ($20 per set) or RF-603 II ($30 per set). Done.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:36:29 GMT

Funny you should mention the Yongnuo RF-622... I was just looking at them online earlier. However in the description it said they would work with the Canon 580 EX II, Yongnuo 568 EX II, but left out whether they'd work with the Canon 580 EX. So at this point I'm not sure whether the RF-622 would work with all three of my flashes or not. I don't know how complicated the RF-622 is to learn how to use, but it would be one more thing for me to have to learn I guess.

I just bought a 10 meter straight cable to connect the master flash to to get it off the camera. I'm thinking now maybe I should have gone with four Yongnuo RF-622s...

Thanks for the reply 🙂

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Skirball — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:08:19 GMT

Cables work fine for one flash, but any more than that and wireless really is easier. I don't think the 622's are particularly hard to use, it's just that the owners manual is crap. Luckily there's plenty of instruction online because of it. Flashhavoc.com had a pretty good "manual". Personally I just popped the batteries in and was up and running.

The 622 should work fine with the first generation 580ex, but I can't say for sure. The first gen flashes didn't have in-camera control, so you couldn't set power levels from your camera, but I don't see why eTTL wouldn't work. At bare minimum it would at least work in manual mode with that flash, but I'd really expect it to do eTTL too.

Not to complicate it even further, but Yongnuo recently released a more advanced master unit for the 622:

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn-622c-tx-now-available/

It has a screen and a basic interface so you can set groups and channels, and even set power levels right on the master unit. I can't say I've tried it myself (I would, but I recently bought the YN-560-TX and couldn't justify yet another trigger purchase. Maybe for the holidays :), but it looks worth the added cost. Then you'd need 3 of the standard 622 for the flashes.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Skirball — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:17:58 GMT

I just noticed the 622s went up to $80 a set (I might have got mine on sale, I don't remember). At that cost, I would definitely get that master controller if it's only $10 more.

I know it's a bit of an investment, but it's a fraction of the cost of the alternative brands. It's also nothing short of awesome - but you won't fully appreciate that until you futzed around with a bunch of wires connected to flashes in modifiers in flimsy stands all crammed into a little room.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:18:20 GMT

What I'm thinking about doing now is getting this plus one more receiver: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yongnuo-YN-622C-TX-Wireless-Flash-Transmitter-2PC-YN-622C-Trigger-for-Canon-US-/251676735769?pt=Camera_Camcorder_Remotes&hash=item3a991a3919 and sending back the 10 meter cable I got. Considering the price of the cable ($71!!), getting the Yongnuo transmitter and receivers wouldn't really be that much more, plus I wouldn't have the cable to contend with.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:59:05 GMT

The Yongnuo 622-TX sounds like it would be better than the older transmitter. What I'm thinking about doing at this point is sending back the 10 meter cable and getting this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yongnuo-YN-622C-TX-Wireless-Flash-Transmitter-2PC-YN-622C-Trigger-for-Canon-US-/251676735769?pt=Camera_Camcorder_Remotes&hash=item3a991a3919 and having them add on one more 622C receiver, that way I could use all three speedlights (I hope anyway). Any thoughts about that?

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:12:29 GMT

I just ran across some info here http://flashhavoc.com/yn622c_review/ about whether my flashes will work with the Yongnuo 622C and 622TX or not, pasted below. I'm not sure exactly what it means, other than my Canon 580 EX II and Yongnuo 568 EX II will work but the 580 EX will only work partially (all this flash stuff with "groups" and "global FEC" and setting manual power levels, etc., is all still brand new to me).

Flash Compatibility

Full Remote Control

Flashes that will support remote flash control through the camera menu.
Manual – Full Remote Manual Power Control in 3 groups from the camera menu.
ETTL – Full ETT Ratio Control and FEC in 3 groups from the camera menu.

Canon - 600EX(RT), 580EX II, 430EX II, 320EX, 270EX II
Phottix – Mitros
YongNuo (with HSS) – YN568EX II, YN568EX, YN500EX
YongNuo (without HSS) – YN565EX C, YN565 II C, YN468 II C, YN467 II C, YN465 C
Nissin (with HSS) – Di866 II – may require a factory settings reset to function correctly (and in manual etc) with the 622c
Metz – 58 AF-2, 48 AF-1 (possibly AF-56 and AF-50 yet to be confirmed)

Partial Control

Flashes that do not support remote manual flash control through the camera menu.
Manual – You must set the manual power level directly on the flash.
ETTL – Global FEC control is available from the camera. Ratios may be available, though individual FEC can also be set directly on each flash to achieve a ratio if needed.

Canon – 580EX, 550EX, 430EX
Metz – 54mz4, 54mz3 (requires M5 firmware in the SCA foot)
Nissin (without HSS) – Di622 II
Nissin (with HSS) – Di866
Sigma – 500 DG Super, 530 DG Super
Sunpak – PZ42X – Confirmed ETTL and FEC from the camera – No HSS

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:23:37 GMT

Please note I had to edit that last post. If you read it before I corrected the model numbers given you might want to re-read it again.

So anyway, after studying and reading about this for the past 2-3 days I'm pretty confused about what to do/what to get now...

At this point (which is subject to change - LOL) I'm thinking about getting a 622C-TX with three 622Cs and sending back the 10 meter cord. I'm guessing there'd be no need for it (plus I'd get $71 back). That should give me the ability to keep everything wireless... the only thing I'm wondering about is what shortcomings the 580 EX might have by using the 622's.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Skirball — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 16:35:31 GMT

You've been busy. Ok, easiest question first:

$71 for the cable? Hah! Send it back!!! No question about it. That's a set of 622s right there, which can do everything that cable can, and more.

Yes, that information that you saw on Flash Havoc is exactly what I was referring to in my post above. What it means is that you cannot control flash power of the 580ex (original) through the camera menu. For your other flashes you can actually go into your camera's flash menu and adjust power remotely with the YN-622. However, that new transmitter allows you to do it on the transmitter instead of scrolling through menus - much, much easier. Most likely you won't be able to do that for the 580ex (original) but it should still fire fine. I'm guessing that it should even work in eTTL, but I'm guessing. If I'm correct then there won't be any difference with your flashes when in eTTL mode. In manual mode you could remotely adjust the power of your 580ex II and 568 II, but not the 580 ex (original).

As to what to do now, well that's up to you. If this is all too overwhelming for you then perhaps step back, do some research and hold off until you feel comfortable. My recommendation hasn't changed. The 622s are the way to go if you want eTTL (if you want manual only you could go even cheaper).

That link you posted from eBay is good. Too good actually. Yongnuo has an eBay account, that's where they started actually, and their prices are higher than that. The seller has a good rep, but buy at your own risk. Personally, I'd rather pay $10 more and get it from Amazon (with 2 day delivery if you're a prime member).

I found a combo with the LED master for the same price as the 622s:

http://www.amazon.com/YN-622C-KIT-YN622C-KIT-including-Controller-Transceiver/dp/B00NW3KNZO/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1417537343&sr=8-16&keywords=yn-622

And then you just get a set of 622s, also for $80:

http://www.amazon.com/Yongnuo-Wireless-Receiver-Transmitter-Transceiver/dp/B0090BSSZO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417537343&sr=8-1&keywords=yn-622

3 eTTL off-camera flashes with remote power control for $160. Wouldn't even be a down payment for a single Canon 600ex-RT.

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Preston — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 18:17:23 GMT

Sorry for the repetitive posts above. I re-read them and saw I repeated myself a couple times. You know how beginners are... sometimes we get a little obsessive. Anyway, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all the info! It has really helped! I really appreciate you (and everyone else who has replied to this thread too) taking the time to help me.

I think what I'll do is take your suggestion and send the 10m cable back and get the Yongnuo 622s. The reason I got the cable was because I'm reading a book on speedlighting now and while I think it's a very good book, over and over in it it says you need a cable to get the flash off the camera. I was just thinking it would be simpler that way for me at first before I'd delve into doing it wirelessly and having to learn something else now too like radio transmitters. Then I found out that the author himself is selling the cables on another site that he suggests you get in the book. Now I see I can do it wirelessly and with radio signals too instead of optically which sounds like the way to go.

I spend all my time learning now... watching instructional DVDs, reading books, reading online, going to local photography group meetings, etc. I have a stack of 40 books and a dozen DVDs here with many hours each of instruction on them, so I'm kinda overwhelmed with all I've been taking in lately. But I really want to try to get the flash thing nailed down before moving on to other subjects.

Now that I know a little more, I see I can do it wirelessly and with radio signals too instead of optically which sounds like the way to go. I spend all my time learning now... watching instructional DVDs, reading books, reading online, etc. I have a stack of 40 books and a dozen DVDs here with many hours each of instruction on them, so I'm kinda overwhelmed with all I've been taking in lately. But I really want to try to get the flash thing nailed down before moving on to other subjects. Once I get the Yongnuos I may have other questions though. Judging from the indecipherable manual I got with the 568 EX II I suspect the manual for the 622s will be just as bad.

Stupid question... but what's a good definition of "group" in terms of flashes? That has me confused.

I don't want to get this thread off on an unrelated tangent here, so maybe I should make a new post for this, but I have a couple other unrelated questions about my 70D. Sometimes I try to take a picture and it just won't fire. I don't know why. Other times I have an exclamation mark appear in the lower right of my viewfinder when it won't fire. Any idea what's going on with that? If you think I should make a new post out of this just let me know.

Thanks again for all your help (and everyone else too who replied). I can't thank you enough!

Re: How can I use a 70D with a 580 EX II, 580 EX, and Yongnuo 568 EX II?

Skirball — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:49:19 GMT

@Preston wrote:

The reason I got the cable was because I'm reading a book on speedlighting now and while I think it's a very good book, over and over in it it says you need a cable to get the flash off the camera. I was just thinking it would be simpler that way for me at first before I'd delve into doing it wirelessly and having to learn something else now too like radio transmitters.

Nothing to feel bad about, I did the exact same thing. And I still have an eTTL cable that I've used twice sitting in the bottom of my gear drawer. Looking at the OCF website looks like I probably paid about $50 for it, and I remember I had the shipping expedited... so probably cost me about $70 as well.

Wow, that's a lot of books and DVDs. No wonder you're overwhelmed. Might want to slow down a bit. It'll really help to get your hands on wireless units (though you can use the Canon optical system in the mean time) and start playing around with it. Then go back to the books and whatnot in sections, once you're more familiar with it. You'll probably learn more and it'll be less stressful.

And if you haven't found this yet:

http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html

He probably covers just about everything you'll find in all those books and DVDs. Great resource.