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New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:32:42 GMT

Not sure if this is the right place to post this! Recently bought a Canon rebel T7i... really into wildlife and birds!!! Was considering selling and buying a 7d ii

Is this a wise decision? I know the 7d is older but has a faster fps

but will the lower MP cause an issue?

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

kvbarkley — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:20:26 GMT

What is wrong with the T7i? Why aren't you satisfied with it? Frame rate is not too critical for wildlife.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

rs-eos — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:21:30 GMT

The EOS 7D line is at the very top of Canon's APS-C sensor line. So you'd gain quite a jump in features, build-quality, etc. if moving from the Rebel to the 7D.

Regarding megapixels, note that the 7D II's 20 MP sensor has enough pixels to generate a 12 x 18 inch print at 300 dpi. Only you can answer is that is sufficient for the work you'll be doing.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:22:30 GMT

Hmmm doesn’t seem to crisp with movement. I thought the 10fps would be more crisp. Maybe I should look at a better lense for my T7i ? Mine is a kit lense 55-250mm

I just keep seeing a lot about the 7d ii.
Wasn’t sure if is was better. Currently found one on eBay 500$ current bid

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

rs-eos — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:25:03 GMT

Higher fps won't lead to images that lack motion blur. You'll need to use faster shutter speeds for that.

There are indeed lenses that will also increase sharpness and provide faster auto-focus.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

Waddizzle — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:47:51 GMT

@b1gb2olo wrote:
Hmmm doesn’t seem to crisp with movement. I thought the 10fps would be more crisp. Maybe I should look at a better lense for my T7i ? Mine is a kit lense 55-250mm

I just keep seeing a lot about the 7d ii.
Wasn’t sure if is was better. Currently found one on eBay 500$ current bid

The 7D2 was first introduced several years ago. As good as it is, much of it's advanced technology has trickled down to camera bodies like the T7i. I would not recommend switching to a 7D2.

Your images will never be better than your lenses. While the 55-250mm kit lens is not the greatest lens in the Canon lineup, I do not think it is the primary factor limiting the quality of your photos. You, the inexperienced photographer, are the most likely cause.

When shooting most types of action photography, which includes most wildlife photography , you will usually want a high shutter speed, like 1/1600 or faster. You need a fast shutter even if the critter seems to be motionless, or at rest.

If you shooting at 250mm, then you should be aware of the " 1 / FL " rule. This says that you minimum shutter speed needs to be one over the focal length, which would imply a 1/250 shutter speed. However, you must account for crop factor with your ASPS-C sensor camera body. In this case I recommend one over twice the focal length, which would suggest a 1/500 shutter speed.

Observe that the rule of thumb predicts a MINIMUM shutter speed. In practice, you will want to be at least twice that recommended minimum.

Setting the camera to use those types of shutter speeds is an entirely new can of worms. There are various ways to do it, depending upon your selected shooting mode. Realizing those fast shutter speeds begins with switching the camera out of Green [A] automatic mode, and using one of the creative modes: P, Tv, Av, or M.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:14:30 GMT

Every time I raise my shutter to a good speed. The iso needs raised so so high and I get too much noise.

what lens would you guys recommend ? Can that help with some quality?!

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

rs-eos — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:41:39 GMT

Your lens has a widest aperture of f/4, but near/at the tele-end, it will be f/5.6. If you can get a lens with an aperture of f/2.8, that would give you at least 1 stop, but up to 2 stops over what you have. So if you're shooting at say ISO 6400, you could then drop that to 3200 or even 1600.

Are you using a tripod? Perhaps the motion blur in your images is due to camera movement and not just subject movement?

Also, look at lenses with IS (image stabilization) especially if doing hand-held shots. Note that motion blur in your images are still possible (subject moving), but this would help with any camera shake.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

Waddizzle — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:44:24 GMT

@b1gb2olo wrote:
Every time I raise my shutter to a good speed. The iso needs raised so so high and I get too much noise.

what lens would you guys recommend ? Can that help with some quality?!

I recommend lots of practice. First, tell us more about the type of wildlife you are shooting. What camera shooting mode, AF mode, and drive mode, are you using?

Can you post a sample photo and tell us what the SS, ISO, Aperture, and focal length were? Do you shoot RAW or JPG?

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:30:31 GMT

Mainly birds currently! i posted some pictures from yesterday on my IG im not sure how to upload to a forum.

I was using a tripod yesterday.

always in manual mode, I was using smooth zone AF instead of single point which I normally use.

also on Servo ( for tracking if im correct)

metering mode also.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:36:15 GMT

ISO 3200

SS 1000

250mm f5.6

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

Waddizzle — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:04:13 GMT

Do you shoot RAW or JPEG? I think that is good capture. Nice!

I took the liberty of adjusting exposure and leveling the horizon. Do you shoot RAW, and then use Canon's Digital Photo Professional software to create JPEG files?

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

Waddizzle — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:09:50 GMT

@b1gb2olo wrote:
Mainly birds currently! i posted some pictures from yesterday on my IG im not sure how to upload to a forum.

I was using a tripod yesterday.
always in manual mode, I was using smooth zone AF instead of single point which I normally use.
also on Servo ( for tracking if im correct)

metering mode also.

I would use just the center AF point, One Shot AF, Single Shot drive mode, for shooting from a tripod at a fixed subject, the bird feeder. Use Evaluative Metering mode, which is the default setting. This was not a bright sunny day, so do not expect the best results. It is what it is, and I think you did a pretty good job of it considering the shooting conditions.

In fact, I would be inclined to switch to Live View, and then use the 10x magnify mode to manually adjust for the best focus. Leave the lens in MF mode after you achieve critical focus.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 00:51:23 GMT

Ive always used RAW.. I only use lightroom for editing and than export to dropbox

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

Waddizzle — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:33:42 GMT

@b1gb2olo wrote:
Ive always used RAW.. I only use lightroom for editing and than export to dropbox

Oh, yeah. One last tip until you get back to us. If you are shooting stills from a tripod with the camera in a fixed position, then it is advisable to turn of the IS in the lens. If the camera/lens combo is not panning on th tripod, then Canon recommends that you turn off the IS.

Some combinations of high end lenses and camera bodies can actually sense when the camera seems to be mounted on a tripod, and will disable the lens IS automatically. Your gear is not able to do that.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:45:32 GMT

Awesome Thank you for that!!

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:47:12 GMT

Im going to stick with the t7i until atleast the come out with a newer 7d

I think my best bet though is a better mm lense

im stuck between sigma 150-600 (C)

and cannon 100-400 i since the ii is pretty pricey

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:48:17 GMT

My IG is bg.gartland i posted a few other shots yesterday i wouldnt mind feedback on!!

I cant upload to here since the files are too big!

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

Waddizzle — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:08:07 GMT

@b1gb2olo wrote:
Im going to stick with the t7i until atleast the come out with a newer 7d

I think my best bet though is a better mm lense

im stuck between sigma 150-600 (C)
and cannon 100-400 i since the ii is pretty pricey

Given that choice, I would pick the Sigma 150-600 "C". There is no substitute for focal length when it comes to wildlife photography. Avoid buying a used one, if you can. Be sure to get a Sigma Dock, too. When I bought mine, I realized that I needed a much beefier tripod [head].

The original EF 100-400mm is reportedly nowhere near as good as the Mark II. I would be disinclined to buy a used one. BTW, avoid buying used gear on Amazon or eBay if you are not familiar with the seller. Those sites are great for buying a bread machine, but you are rolling the dice buying used big ticket items like camera gear.

Re: New here.. 7d mark ii vs rebel t7i! Wildlife

b1gb2olo — Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:05:21 GMT

Thank you so much for the advice. I think I’ll go with the Sigma. I was going to use eBay since I’m on a budget but I’m going to wait until after this virus. What does the charging dock do? I did see that online