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Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

John_SD — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 02:55:01 GMT

"Canon will release two full frame mirrorless cameras before the middle of 2019, the first one to come will be the “flagship” model for this new line of cameras. As reported earlier this camera will sport a 30.4mp sensor that could be closely related to the EOS 5D Mark IV.

"The second full frame mirrorless body will be a lower megapixel count. We’ve seen mentions of various pixel counts, which isn’t unusual, as test cameras can come with a wide array of different image sensors. The most likely pixel count will be around 24mp, we do not believe they’ll be using the EOS 6D Mark II’s 26.2mp sensor, or even a modified version of it."

Personally, I don't find it hard to believe. The response to the M3 was lukewarm at best, and Sony has blown the competition out of the water so far. If Canon hopes to be competitive with mirrorless, they have to get into the game in earnest.

In addition, Nikon is also rumored to release a full-frame mirrorless at around the same time. Could we one day see the DSLR go the way of the SLR and film?

See canonrumors dot com

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

shadowsports — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:45:22 GMT

I've seen the article as well. I've not looked too closely at the A7III, and don't really care about Sony, but I have seen pictures taken with it and am first to admit they were very good (outstanding). A colleague just bought a D850 (off topic) and his "first time" out images were breathtaking. He's a professional photographer, so I expected it, but wow were the photos good. Of course he's got the compliment of Nikon lenses that makes it possible. ('ll never switch though).

I want to see Canon develop mirrorless options. They have certainly had enough time now for R&D and will hopefully deliver 2 great cameras (as you mentioned). That said, I love my 6D2, but put a articulating screen on a 5D5 or 4D1 (guessing) and I'll buy it right now. A year or less from now I'll be ready for a new body. I'm sure whatever it is, will support my EF lenses, so I'll buy whichever it turns out to be as long as it has the screen. Silly I know, but its just something I don't want to live without now. I don't mind waiting for it.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

John_SD — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:48:05 GMT

@shadowsports wrote:
I've seen the article as well. I've not looked too closely at the A7III, and don't really care about Sony, but I have seen pictures taken with it and am first to admit they were very good (outstanding). A colleague just bought a D850 (off topic) and his "first time" out images were breathtaking. He's a professional photographer, so I expected it, but wow were the photos good. Of course he's got the compliment of Nikon lenses that makes it possible. ('ll never switch though).

I want to see Canon develop mirrorless options. They have certainly had enough time now for R&D and will hopefully deliver 2 great cameras (as you mentioned). That said, I love my 6D2, but put a articulating screen on a 5D5 or 4D1 (guessing) and I'll buy it right now. A year or less from now I'll be ready for a new body. I'm sure whatever it is, will support my EF lenses, so I'll buy whichever it turns out to be as long as it has the screen. Silly I know, but its just something I don't want to live without now. I don't mind waiting for it.

I myself have not looked into mirrorless cameras in earnest, though that may change. The changeover to full frame mirrorless seems inevitable to me, and while I don't expect it to happen overnight, I think it is coming. It should certainly give pause to people like me who are planning to make the transition to full frame. I am going to wait now, and see what the near future brings in terms of mirrorless full frame offerings from Canon and Nikon.

Speaking of full frame, I see that you list the 6D Mark 2 in your tagline. How do you like it? Is the dynamic range as limited as the reviewers have been stating? That would have been the camera I would have selected as my entry into full frame, but with canonrumors stating that Canon and Nikon are going to be releasing mirrorless full frame cameras in the forseeable future, I might hold off. One good thing of note is that rumors also state that adapters will also be designed and released so that guys with EF lenses can still use them. Same with Nikon.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

John_SD — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:09:20 GMT

Following up on my own post, today's announcement from canonrumors dot com is even more encouraging:

"We’re told that photo gear related announcements from Canon will be coming the first week of September, it is expected that Canon will announce at least one mirrorless camera.

"Other product announcements are also expected around the same time leading into Photokina, which begins September 26, 2018.

"The full frame mirrorless camera from Canon is being described as an “EOS 5D Mark IV in a mirrorless body” internally by at least one retail insider. We think we’re going to get more than a mirrorless version of a two year old camera."

I will definitely be holding off on full frame until the release of these mirrorless cameras.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

shadowsports — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 04:46:26 GMT

I really love my 6D2. The DR topic has been discussed into oblivion. There are 2 camps. I'm not going to hijack your thread discussing it. You are either a 6D2 fan, or you aren't. I'm enjoying the body and am taking great pictures with it. But there are people out there who feel strongly that Canon didn't do enough with the 6D2. I say buy something else if you feel that way.

But were here to talk mirrorless. Hopefully we'll know more in the next 6 months and have something to hold in 10.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

RobertTheFat — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 05:20:20 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
Following up on my own post, today's announcement from canonrumors dot com is even more encouraging:

"We’re told that photo gear related announcements from Canon will be coming the first week of September, it is expected that Canon will announce at least one mirrorless camera.

"Other product announcements are also expected around the same time leading into Photokina, which begins September 26, 2018.

"The full frame mirrorless camera from Canon is being described as an “EOS 5D Mark IV in a mirrorless body” internally by at least one retail insider. We think we’re going to get more than a mirrorless version of a two year old camera."

I will definitely be holding off on full frame until the release of these mirrorless cameras.

A 5D4 in a mirrorless body figures to be significantly underpowered. Maybe that's why they're literally giving away a battery grip when you buy a 5D4 these days (i.e., to get you used to the idea that you need a grip). I wonder if it will be missing some power hogging features like WiFi and GPS.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

John_SD — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:49:17 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@John_SD
A 5D4 in a mirrorless body figures to be significantly underpowered. Maybe that's why they're literally giving away a battery grip when you buy a 5D4 these days (i.e., to get you used to the idea that you need a grip). I wonder if it will be missing some power hogging features like WiFi and GPS.

It may be underpowered in its first iteration, but that issue will be resolved without too much dificulty. If Canon releases a powerful mirrorless in full frame with 5D4 capabilities, then it will only be a matter of time before the DSLR as we know it today goes the way of analog TVs and the old Polaroids and Instamatics. Better tech replaced them. So it has always been with cameras. Now, while I may be willing to wait up to a year to see what happens with full frame mirrorless, I'm not going to wait indefinitely, as I am not going to deprive myself of better gear. I see it as a win-win for guys like me who haven't ventured into full frame yet. If full frame mirrorless is a success, then I would jump on it. But regardless, it should push down the cost of exisitng DSLRs in general, including the 5D4.So that would also be a good thing. We'll see what happens, but as the saying goes, the future waits for no man.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

RobertTheFat — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:20:15 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
@RobertTheFat wrote:
@John_SD
A 5D4 in a mirrorless body figures to be significantly underpowered. Maybe that's why they're literally giving away a battery grip when you buy a 5D4 these days (i.e., to get you used to the idea that you need a grip). I wonder if it will be missing some power hogging features like WiFi and GPS.
It may be underpowered in its first iteration, but that issue will be resolved without too much dificulty. If Canon releases a powerful mirrorless in full frame with 5D4 capabilities, then it will only be a matter of time before the DSLR as we know it today goes the way of analog TVs and the old Polaroids and Instamatics. Better tech replaced them. So it has always been with cameras. Now, while I may be willing to wait up to a year to see what happens with full frame mirrorless, I'm not going to wait indefinitely, as I am not going to deprive myself of better gear. I see it as a win-win for guys like me who haven't ventured into full frame yet. If full frame mirrorless is a success, then I would jump on it. But regardless, it should push down the cost of exisitng DSLRs in general, including the 5D4.So that would also be a good thing. We'll see what happens, but as the saying goes, the future waits for no man.

I take that to mean that you are volunteering to be among the first in this forum to take the plunge. We'll eagerly await your reports.

BTW, one other thing to look out for on a serious mirrorless camera (besides battery capacity) is the speed of the electronic viewfinder. The main reason my wife and I switched to DSLRs was that the EVFs on our P&S cameras never showed us what we were actually going to get. That was twelve years ago, of course, and one hopes that things have changed a lot since then.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

John_SD — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:56:35 GMT

@shadowsports wrote:
...I love my 6D2, but put a articulating screen on a 5D5 or 4D1 (guessing) and I'll buy it right now. A year or less from now I'll be ready for a new body. I'm sure whatever it is, will support my EF lenses, so I'll buy whichever it turns out to be as long as it has the screen. Silly I know, but its just something I don't want to live without now. I don't mind waiting for it.

I too would love to have a camera with a fully articulating screen (not just tilting to and fro). I shoot enough at ground level or a foot above that an articulating screen would be very helpful and handy.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

ebiggs1 — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:19:47 GMT

I am not a mirrorless fan.........................yet. It is not just good enough to just equal the performance of current DSLR but to improve on it. Otherwise, why? What we have is doing a nice job already.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

RobertTheFat — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:35:08 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
I am not a mirrorless fan.........................yet. It is not just good enough to just equal the performance of current DSLR but to improve on it. Otherwise, why? What we have is doing a nice job already.

Mirrorless cameras are the future, Ernie. And what's not to like? Don't you want to get rid of mirror slap and of the size and complexity of the mirror system?

Nevertheless, I agree with you that there's still a ways to go before we see a viable mirrorless of professional quality. But we'll never get there unless people like John of Saint Dickie take the lead in trying and evaluating what the manufacturers throw at us.

A week ago I basked in the confidence that my new 5D4 was the last camera I'd ever have to buy. Now I find myself hoping to live long enough to think I need a mirrorless 4D Mark II.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

John_SD — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:11:09 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@ebiggs1Nevertheless, I agree with you that there's still a ways to go before we see a viable mirrorless of professional quality. But we'll never get there unless people like John of Saint Dickie take the lead in trying and evaluating what the manufacturers throw at us.

I have no idea who this John of Saint Dickie is, but he must be a very intelligent, successful and wealthy fellow. Glad you found someone you can turn to for leadership. I tip my hat to him!

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

ebiggs1 — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:22:33 GMT

" Don't you want to get rid of mirror slap and of the size and complexity of the mirror system?"

In the type of photography I do and have done this has not been an issue. So, no, that alone would not interest me. I thought the 1D Mk IV was the last camera I would buy, too. It did everything I wanted it to. Until a bud showed me his 1DX. Yeah, I had a good camera but the 1DX is at last twice better. I had to admit it and when Canon and stores discounted the 1DX it was too much to resist. It is the best camera I have ever used.

That same principle will apply to any new models. If they are mirrorless or not. Just equaling what I have will not win me over. It has to do something I can't.

Re: Rumors of Canon's first full frame mirrorless camera?

ebiggs1 — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:29:11 GMT

" But we'll never get there unless people like John of Saint Dickie take the lead..."

I am all in for them to take one for the team. Give us a fantastic report and review. Yes all in, we are waiting.

On a side note, Robert, I still have friends that are in business with a 1Ds Mk III. Nothing newer! One guy I know still uses his 1D MkII. Not even the 'n' version. Why? Why, because they are doing what they need them to. Some full timers have to have the latest greatest but some are more concerned with the bottom line. I guess they are the married ones that love their family!

Mirrorless for mirrorless sake is a none starter.