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Upgrade Help

MikeBlueMedia — Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:59:57 GMT

Hello All

I have questions and i figured this would be the perfect place for a Canon lover like myself.

I have been using a Canon T3i..... and love it. But with my media taking off a 80d is in my sights but i am a little overwhelemed when thinking about building out another rig.

Right now i have a Canon T3i with a Tonkina AT-X pro lens Grip Battery Pack and 4 extra patteries. Along with wirless remote wired remote, speedlite and my spider wrist grip and also spider hook and belt set.

Is there ANYTHING I can still use accessorie wise from my Canon T3i to the 80D

thank you all for any and all help!

Re: Upgrade Help

RobertTheFat — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 00:03:30 GMT

@MikeBlueMedia wrote:
Hello All

I have questions and i figured this would be the perfect place for a Canon lover like myself.

I have been using a Canon T3i..... and love it. But with my media taking off a 80d is in my sights but i am a little overwhelemed when thinking about building out another rig.

Right now i have a Canon T3i with a Tonkina AT-X pro lens Grip Battery Pack and 4 extra patteries. Along with wirless remote wired remote, speedlite and my spider wrist grip and also spider hook and belt set.

Is there ANYTHING I can still use accessorie wise from my Canon T3i to the 80D

thank you all for any and all help!

Any lens that works on a T3i should work on an 80D. And the wrist grip probably screws into the tripod socket, so that should be compatible. Also the speedlite should work.

Re: Upgrade Help

MikeBlueMedia — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 00:39:02 GMT

Thanks Bob....I sortta figured the lens and grip. So the batteries and battery grip are gonna be a no go?!

Is there a lens i shold be going for if offered with the body. STM?

Re: Upgrade Help

Waddizzle — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 00:55:57 GMT

@MikeBlueMedia wrote:
Thanks Bob....I sortta figured the lens and grip. So the batteries and battery grip are gonna be a no go?!
Is there a lens i shold be going for if offered with the body. STM?

The best buy is the 80D with the EF-S 18-55mm IS STM in the Canon Online Refurbished Store. The 18-135mm lenses are good, but I think the 18-55 kit is a better buy. They almost give away the lens for free.

Re: Upgrade Help

ScottyP — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:43:26 GMT

I’m not sure what your existing lens is from the description. I agree with BOb on the 18-55.

You don’t have any large aperture lens for low light / shallow depth of field for subject isolation. For just $125.00. I’d throw in a Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM prime lens. Be sure you get the STM version which is the new and improved.

Re: Upgrade Help

ebiggs1 — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:54:45 GMT

"...a Tonkina AT-X pro lens Grip Battery Pack and 4 extra patteries"

Off brand grips are almost always a bad idea. Be glad this won't be usable on your new 80D. Buy a Canon grip for it. Off brand batteries can be a bad idea too. So, be careful. The fact you may not have experienced any trouble means you were just one of the lucky ones. Not that the grip or batteries was good. You can void your warranty if an off brand battery causes damage to the camera.

I'm not opposed to the new STM kit lenses but at this point perhaps you are ready to really step up your game with some much better lenses, too. Like Scotty mentioned, you can benefit from faster glass. The kit lenses have slow variable apertures, lesser quality builds.

The Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens and an 80D is a REAL upgrade for instance. Fast constant aperture, better build and top notch IQ. The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens is a top choice prime lens.

Re: Upgrade Help

MikeBlueMedia — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 20:33:57 GMT

Thanks for the response.

You might have misunderstood my post.

ALL my accesoires are Canon excpet for my Tokina lens. (which at that time brought my T3i up to a new level) LOL

I appreciate all the help!

Since ill be using this for Vlog Video and photos I'll be sure to grab that awesome Canon EF 50 mm ..

As for the other lens, maybe a simpler question for me should be the difference between STM and USM?

This added to my Drone footage will be a complete package.

Thanks!

Re: Upgrade Help

ebiggs1 — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 21:54:22 GMT

"... a simpler question for me should be the difference between STM and USM? "

STM is a stepper motor and USM is the ultra sonic motor. I don't think any of the Canon L lenses ( higest quality) have STM motors. Just the kit type do. There could be some newer L series that have one but I am not recalling one right now.

Re: Upgrade Help

Waddizzle — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:31:53 GMT

@MikeBlueMedia wrote:
Thanks for the responses.

Since ill be using this for Vlog Video and photos I'll be sure to grab that awesome Canon EF 50 mm ..

As for the other lens, maybe a simpler question for me should be the difference between STM and USM?

Thanks!

Aside from the technical differences, there is a functionality difference when it comes to video.

If you want to take full advantage of the Dual Pixel AF, then you want an STM zoom like the 18-55mm IS STM or the 18-135mm IS STM lenses. Specifically, if you want auto-aperture mode, then you [must] use an STM zoom, not a prime.

Re: Upgrade Help

RobertTheFat — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 05:27:54 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"... a simpler question for me should be the difference between STM and USM? "

STM is a stepper motor and USM is the ultra sonic motor. I don't think any of the Canon L lenses ( higest quality) have STM motors. Just the kit type do. There could be some newer L series that have one but I am not recalling one right now.

If I understand correctly, a stepping motor has to be able to start and stop more quickly than an "ultrasonic" (the term is a laughable exaggeration) motor. That may rule out today's stepping motors for "L" lenses, which tend to be on the heavy side.

Re: Upgrade Help

MikeBlueMedia — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 11:45:54 GMT

Thank you

I did recall reading about a difference for video and couldn't find a clear solution when i went back to look.

But after seeing the next response this would then mean a lens of "lesser quality" is used to get the best features for video?

Re: Upgrade Help

RobertTheFat — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:55:39 GMT

@MikeBlueMedia wrote:
Thank you

I did recall reading about a difference for video and couldn't find a clear solution when i went back to look.

But after seeing the next response this would then mean a lens of "lesser quality" is used to get the best features for video?

Video is not as dependent on outright image quality as still photography is. A lens of less than ideal image quality may have other features that are more important in a given situation. STM lenses, for example, are usually quieter than USM lenses, and therefore less likely to interfere with audio recording.

Re: Upgrade Help

ebiggs1 — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:24:13 GMT

I am not a video guy but I know several guys that shoot vid a lot. My take is STM is for amateurs. STM lenses sacrifice speed in order to be quieter and smoother.

Lenses with USM focus designs are built for speed. Quiet operation is second. They are optimized for still images. Jerky starts and stops that get them in focus faster are meaningless.

The more advanced videographers tend to use manual focus lenses. They have external focusing rigs that attach to the lens and allow fast and finer focusing control.

Re: Upgrade Help

Waddizzle — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 23:09:08 GMT

@MikeBlueMedia wrote:
Thank you

I did recall reading about a difference for video and couldn't find a clear solution when i went back to look.

But after seeing the next response this would then mean a lens of "lesser quality" is used to get the best features for video?

The STM focusing system is much smoother than the USM system. While a USM lens will “snap” into immediate focus on a subject, which is ideal behavior for shooting stills, an STM lens can make a smoother focus transition between a near and far subject when the camera is in Movie Mode. When the camera is in Photo Mode, STM lenses seem to be on equal footing with the speed of a USM lens..

All of my Canon L glass are USM lenses, and they are all pretty quiet when it comes to focusing. But, shooting video with a DSLR is where USM lenses can become noisy, probably because their apertures are designed for discrete 1/3 stop steps, not continuous adjustment

Aperture adjustment. The STM lenses really excel is shooting video and making aperture adjustments. Just as with the focusing, STM lenses are able to make smoother aperture transitions in video mode, almost as good as a manual cinema lens with a declicked aperture ring.

Once you get into the world of cinema cameras, there is a whole new set of focusing aids to use. Using high quality L glass is what you want to use with cinema cameras.

Re: Upgrade Help

kvbarkley — Sun, 17 Jun 2018 23:56:02 GMT

Just to add to the confusion, the new "nano" USM lenses are supposed to be the best of both worlds.