topic Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait in General Discussion

quick question ... shooting group portrait

krisz — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 01:25:53 GMT

Hello all,

super newbie here, just finally learning my settings other than auto :D, so please be gentle...

I am taking some pictures of my friends family tomorrow, outdoors,mid day, super sunny-i'm in Vegas :), was wondering what are the best setings would be,,i have a Canon rebel Xs, kit lens..thank you!

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

BurnUnit — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 01:45:48 GMT

Depending on the size of the group you'll probably want to shoot toward the wide end of your lens' zoom range. Use the AV mode and work around f8 or f11 to increase depth of field. The real challenge you're making for yourself is shooting in the high mid-day sun. The harsh shadows on peoples' faces will be less than flattering and you subjects will be more prone to squinting.

Lower morning or afternoon sun will provide better lighting. If possible, get your subjects into the shade somewhere, even if it's under an awning or marquee. They'll be happier and more likely to smile and keep their eyes open. Keep the sun at your back or to the side, out of the scene. Try to find an uncluttered background. Take plenty of shots from slightly different angles and distances. Move in closer for some wider angle shots then step back and zoom in a little bit to fill the frame as needed.

At least you're not having to shoot this group in northern Indiana at the moment. Below zero and single digit temps means you can't shoot till everybody stops shivering.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

krisz — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 02:31:09 GMT

Thank you so much for the reply!!

I was trying for a softer light, so told them later in the day, but they didnt have time then. ..And of course last two days were perfectly overcast, hah!

I will take everything into account, appreciate the advise!

Thanks 🙂

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

ScottyP — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:22:30 GMT

Shoot zoomed out leaving a LOT of extra space around the subject. If you use a wide-ish lens ( 16-24) people on the edges of the photo will be bloated. Frame loosely so you can crop the distorted edges out.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

Waddizzle — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:13:44 GMT

Not really enough infor here.

Depending upon the size of the group, you probably do not need to use an aperture narrower than f/5.6. Depending upon the amount of background and foreground lighting, you may need exposure compensation, to expose the group properly.

I would definitely be inclined to use a tripod. You should have sufficient time to pose everyone. Remember, your lens does not have a flat focal plane. It is more curved, than flat, with the image sensor in the center of a the circular focal plane. Understand your available depth of field.

As suggested, leave some room around the edges. You want to have some “margin” to make adjustments llike leveling the horizon. Depending upon the lens and focal length, people can become distorted near the edges.

I would not put a priority on keep ISO at 100. I would put a priority on using a fast shutter, at least 1/400.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

RobertTheFat — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:45:30 GMT

ScottyP wrote:
Shoot zoomed out leaving a LOT of extra space around the subject. If you use a wide-ish lens ( 16-24) people on the edges of the photo will be bloated. Frame loosely so you can crop the distorted edges out.

Try to find a shady area where the light is less harsh. Try to use fill flash, but remember that most eyeglasses will cause glare spots. If the group is small enough that you get to worry about people's expressions or whether they have their eyes open, take at least twice as many pictures as there are members of the group.

If someone else insists on taking pictures too, insist that he/she stand as close to you as possible. Otherwise, some people's eyes will be pointed at the other photographer. And remind the members of the group, that if they can't see your lens, their faces will not show.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

ebiggs1 — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:05:21 GMT

"Try to find a shady area where the light is less harsh."

That is the main thing you need to do. Never shoot people in direct Sun light. Contrast soars with the Sun. You shouldn't need a tripod either. Make sure everyone knows if they can not see the lens, the lens can not see them. Either set the camera for low speed continuous shooting or take multiple shots. Somebody will invariably have their eyes closed or yawn or some darn thing else. Also be aware of your form factor. 2x3 is not an 8x10 photo.

Of course you need to set for correct exposure but a good start might be f8, 1/100, ISO 200 and AWB.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

krisz — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:16:01 GMT

Thank you all so much for the input!!
I found some filtered light, and put them in kind if a shade..about to see what i did! 😄
Appreciate all the helpful advise, thanks guys!!

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

BurnUnit — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:15:15 GMT

Be sure to post some samples... we want to see how you did!

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

krisz — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 03:42:09 GMT

They are not the best 😕

but this is before photoshop..so i m hoping

i learned a lot today..thanks again for all the help!

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

RobertTheFat — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 06:11:36 GMT

Those aren't at all bad. You got good expressions, and I think you handled the lighting very well. I'll offer one suggestion in response to what I've seen categorized as a "rookie mistake": Don't cut off the feet in a group picture. It's OK to end the picture mid-torso (like you did in the first one), but when you cut off just the feet, it looks sloppy.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

ebiggs1 — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:03:31 GMT

Composition is the hardest thing to learn and see in photography. Probably the number one difference between average and good photographers.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

Waddizzle — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:02:53 GMT

I am not a fan of the close background being at an angle to the camera. It draws the eye away from the subjects.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

ebiggs1 — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:13:51 GMT

I don't think so.

If I were to change anything, in the bottom picture which is my pick, I would have stepped back a few feet. This would have included the family's feet in the photo and more of the light and garage door. A photo needs to tell a story to be really great. Not only who was there but where were we. Either of these or both are going to be nice mementos of the day. The faces especially in the bottom picture are really nice. That is the main most important thing.

All and all a nice job.

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

krisz — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:56:32 GMT

Thanks guys..i am not happy at all, but as this is my first attemp, i always can improve..i agree on cutting off the feet looks terrible...ughh

If they were paying clients i would do a redo, and probably cry..but as of now, i have about 150 shots to go through, hoping to be able to edit them just enough so they like it...:(

Thanks again

Re: quick question ... shooting group portrait

Waddizzle — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:11:24 GMT

@krisz wrote:
Thanks guys..i am not happy at all, but as this is my first attemp, i always can improve..i agree on cutting off the feet looks terrible...ughh
If they were paying clients i would do a redo, and probably cry..but as of now, i have about 150 shots to go through, hoping to be able to edit them just enough so they like it...:(
Thanks again

You can always crop shots like the second one so that they resemble the first one. Be mindful of maintaining the original aspect ratio, 3:2, not unless it is your intent to change it.

Not trying to frame a shot too closely is one of the first lessons I learned. You can always crop an image, but you cannot “uncrop” an image. You can also use DPP to specify an overall output image size. I like to use 6000 x 4000 at 75 DPI.