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Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

DanielTylerFL — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:02:09 GMT

My budget is approx 2,000.00 USD for a new camera body. I’m in search for a camera for kids sports, wildlife and some portraits. What camera has a quicker focus and higher MP than my canon T3i. I love the photos I’ve been taking but i want to find a camera body that I can upgrade to. I’ve been learning more about the 5D Mark IV. What are your thoughts?

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Waddizzle — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:18:43 GMT

The first question that comes to mind is what lenses do you currently own. Switching to a full frame body will mean that alll of your EF-S mount lenses would not be compatible with a full frame body.

As for your $2000 budget and a 5D Mark IV goes, something does not sound right. All authorized Canon dealers sell the same gear at the same prices. Currently, B&H Photo Vidoe in NYC is asking $2499, and that is a discounted sale price at $600 off the current list price.

With a price that low, I suggest you pass on the offer because it probably does not have a warranty. Even a used body should command a higher price than $2000.

Otherwise, the 5D4 is a very good all around camera. It would not be my first choice for sports and wildlife, although it could probably do a very good job of it. I would want a body with a faster frame rate for action photography. Take a look at the 90D.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

RobertTheFat — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:26:15 GMT

@DanielTylerFL wrote:
My budget is approx 2,000.00 USD for a new camera body. I’m in search for a camera for kids sports, wildlife and some portraits. What camera has a quicker focus and higher MP than my canon T3i. I love the photos I’ve been taking but i want to find a camera body that I can upgrade to. I’ve been learning more about the 5D Mark IV. What are your thoughts?

Look into the 80D or the 90D, especially if you have any EF-S lenses, which would not work on a 5D IV.

EDIT: Didn't mean to be repetitive, but Waddizzle's very similar post wasn't there when I started typing. Great minds think alike (and at the same time), I guess.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Waddizzle — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:44:14 GMT

@RobertTheFat wrote:
@DanielTylerFL wrote:
My budget is approx 2,000.00 USD for a new camera body. I’m in search for a camera for kids sports, wildlife and some portraits. What camera has a quicker focus and higher MP than my canon T3i. I love the photos I’ve been taking but i want to find a camera body that I can upgrade to. I’ve been learning more about the 5D Mark IV. What are your thoughts?
Look into the 80D or the 90D, especially if you have any EF-S lenses, which would not work on a 5D IV.

EDIT: Didn't mean to be repetitive, but Waddizzle's very similar post wasn't there when I started typing. Great minds think alike (and at the same time), I guess.

Yes, that is true. I'm surprised that you did not comment on a 5D4 being within the budget.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

shadowsports — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:36:48 GMT

@DanielTylerFL,

Agree, Go 90D. It will allow you to grow your skills immensely from the T3i. Everything about it is a win for you. Frame rates, MP's, boost in ISO performance and a great camera for short 4k videos. You can keep your lenses as the guys pointed out and even buy a new lens for it if you wanted. Has all the bells and whistles. I suggest you go shopping and hold one in your hands.

Anyone who wanted a 5D4 should have picked one up over christmas. The sales were incredible.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Tronhard — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 21:43:45 GMT

Since there is no clue as to a gear list in your profile, I too am wondering what investment you have in gear. That helps a lot to put your needs into perspective...

As always in theses scenarios I would like to know what you are going to produce. Is it to be large prints, smaller prints, output for digital screens (like monitors) or social medial As you work your way downt that list the need for expensive bodies and lenses decreases.

You say that, aso one of your asperations, you like photographing wildlife - can you be more specific? Birds in particular tend to use very long telephoto lenses, and I would not encourage shooting macro predators like bears with anything too short!

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

DanielTylerFL — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:51:10 GMT

I have a Rebel T3i with the kit lenses. EF f/3.5-5.6 18-55mm and EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6. I’m aiming to grab more birds/dolphins/crocodiles/alligators. Eventually I would love to make some larger prints 2’x3’ish in and around that.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

DanielTylerFL — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:53:48 GMT

I think I’ll be looking at the 90D come the holidays!! I’ll keep shooting with the T3i until I can score a great deal with the 90D. I appreciate everyone’s input, thank you! Y’all have been so helpful.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Tronhard — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 00:23:52 GMT

@DanielTylerFL wrote:
I have a Rebel T3i with the kit lenses. EF f/3.5-5.6 18-55mm and EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6. I’m aiming to grab more birds/dolphins/crocodiles/alligators. Eventually I would love to make some larger prints 2’x3’ish in and around that.

Definitely put your saved funds into good glass the 90D will show you the weaknesses of your current lenses. Both lenses are likely the old versions and the 75-300 is arguably Canon's worst lens.

Personally I would recommend the following, with a mind to your budget projections, consider a refurbished one of any of these...

If you expect to stick with APS-C cameras:

EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM. Equivalent FoV 28-88 and arguably Canon's best walk-around lens for an APS-C camera

or if you want a wider range...

EF-S 18-135 f3.5-5.6 IS USM (latest version). This is a kit lens but a good one. Equivalent FoV 29-216mm

For telephoto:

Canon EF 70-300 MkII f4-5.6 IS USM For the money a great medium to long tele, with an equivalent FoV of 112-480mm. It has great optics and as an EF lens will fit a FF camera if you so choose.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

ebiggs1 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:22:08 GMT

There is nothing a 5D3 or 4 will do for you that a 90D won't do. Might as well save some money, Right?

"I have a Rebel T3i with the kit lenses. EF f/3.5-5.6 18-55mm and EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6."

If you go the 90D route, these lenses will let you down if you consider what there is available. And it is the lens that makes the photo, not the camera. Oh, of course you need a good camera but you need the best lenses. Two lenses I am high on right now is the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens. Slight advantage to the Siggy. Check out the 90D and one of these two lenses.

As for a tele, might as well go super zoom. Check out the Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Tronhard — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:03:21 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
There is nothing a 5D3 or 4 will do for you that a 90D won't do. Might as well save some money, Right?

"I have a Rebel T3i with the kit lenses. EF f/3.5-5.6 18-55mm and EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6."

If you go the 90D route, these lenses will let you down if you consider what there is available. And it is the lens that makes the photo, not the camera. Oh, of course you need a good camera but you need the best lenses. Two lenses I am high on right now is the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens. Slight advantage to the Siggy. Check out the 90D and one of these two lenses.

As for a tele, might as well go super zoom. Check out the Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2.

Hi Ernie:

I am not familiar with the US market pricing but is it possible to get a 90D body, Sigma 18-35 or Canon 17-88, plus a Tamron 150-600 within the $2k budget? Also it seems to be a big gap to have between 35mm for the Sigma and 150mm for the Tamron. It wa with both cost and range coverage that I made the suggestions in my last post.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Waddizzle — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:56:47 GMT

@DanielTylerFL wrote:
I have a Rebel T3i with the kit lenses. EF f/3.5-5.6 18-55mm and EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6. I’m aiming to grab more birds/dolphins/crocodiles/alligators. Eventually I would love to make some larger prints 2’x3’ish in and around that.

What others have said about those lenses is true. They are not Canon's best lenses, and the 90D will mercilessly reveal all of their flaws. They were introduced over a decade ago. With a 90D, you want to stick to the latest Canon lens releases.

The highly regarded EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM was introduced in 2006, and many 90D users are reporting that the lens is not a good match with the 90D. It is on sale in the Refurbished Storre for less than $500. Now, why would Canon apparently try to clear out inventory of this lens?

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-17-55-f-28-is-usm-refurbished

The best lenses for the 90D are most of the Canon L glass, or recent EF-S "STM" zoom lenses released within the past few years. In fact, users are reporting that the 90D seems to work best with Canon lenses released AFTER the 2nd Generation of Dual Pixel AF bodies were released, beginning with the 80D. The 90D seems to have a 3rd generation of Dual Pixel AF.

As far as a super telephoto lens for birding goes, the Sigma 150-500mm "C" will work just as well as the Tamron 150-600mm G2,, and do it for a few hundred dollars less. The Sigma had an AF firmware update in 2017, which transformed the lens into a something completely new.

With your stated budget, my advice to you is to prioritize whether you want to upgrade your camera body, or buy a super telephoto lens for wildlife photography. You will not be able to do both on your budget without settling for a compromise on something somewhere.

Your images will never be better than your lenses, so do put a priority on buying the best glass, which does not mean invest in a lens, instead of camera body upgrade at this time. Canon seems to be clearing inventory of a number camera bodies and lenses through the Refurbished Store.

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-6d-body-refurbished

That price for a 6D is a steal, and it will allow you to afford one of the 15-600mm super zooms at the same time. Does the 6D have the most advanced AF system? No, it does not. But, it will capture very detailed images with most Canon EF lenses.

The above shot is from a 6D, and is slighlty cropped. It was one of the first shots I captured after upgrading the AF firmware in my Sigma 150-600 "C" lens. The 6D2 is also available in the Refubished Store, and would be my recommendation if you want a full frame body. The 90D seems to use the same AF system when shooting through the viewfinder.

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-6d-mark-ii-body-refurbished

Again, my advice is decide whether or not you want to upgrade the body, or go out an purchase a high quality lens for wildlife photography. Do not try to both in one shot on your current budget. Either buy the best body, or buy the best lens.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

DanielTylerFL — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 05:22:53 GMT

Thanks so much for the knowledge. Really, I had this kit setup in a box in storage in the house for awhile, and just have started doing some exploring with the T3i. I figured the same...work with this to imporve my shots then find a deal when they come out for the 90D. I'll keep all that in mind when I do decide to upgrade...I just don't want to get really good at photography and sacriface quality in a better body in that time. I have no problem spending more for a body if it's really going to up my game, but I suppose whats the next tier up from the 90D? say 2-4k?

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

DanielTylerFL — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 05:27:13 GMT

I suppose so! I really have no idea about camera bodies seeing that I'm brand new to photography. I really don't mind spending the money as I would love to do this professionally one day. I will definitely look into the 5D3 or 4 --- what are the main differences?

I'm just looking for the next tier of camera to suit my needs. I dont mind even spending up to 3-4K on a camera....or should I stick with a cheaper camera and spend the extra money in glass? My gut tells me to spend less on the camera and more in the glass...

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Tronhard — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 05:27:26 GMT

I sent you a personal message. Look on the top right of the screen just under General Discussion and look for the envelope...

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

rs-eos — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 23:43:29 GMT

Some extra info to hopefully help you with your journey.

When I started out with DSLRs, I had a T4i with an 18-135 EF-S kit lens. After shooting for about a year, I did an exercise where I created a sort of histogram of all images in terms of their focal lengths (accounting for their 35mm equivalent). This led to a whopping 90% of the images being very close to 50mm. My favorite images also had an obvious similarity: very shallow DOF.

So at the point of upgrading, I moved to an EOS 6D with a single 50mm f/1.2 L lens. But the 6D ultimately lacked two key features I wanted; dual card slots and more focus points. So saved up some money and now am using a 5D IV. And about a year ago, finally added a second lens; a 135mm f/2 L.

In summary, maybe take a stronger look at just what images you are creating, but really also look at your favorites. Do they tend to have similar focal lengths? Would a full-frame camera help you reach your vision more? Are there certain features that will help you? This should help you see if more of your budget needs to go to lenses.

Side note: I don't shoot professionally, so none of my decisions were based on any client work requirements. If you plan to do a side business, you may also want to consider how such work may influence your decisions.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

Tronhard — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 00:02:08 GMT

RS-EOS offered good advice. Also consider any changes you may make to your photographic activities. Are you, for example, contemplating a lot of travel? Or perhaps going into some other kind of photography that is distinctly different from your previous or current activities?

These are all good things to consider.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

ebiggs1 — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:24:55 GMT

"I am not familiar with the US market pricing but is it possible to get a 90D body, Sigma 18-35 or Canon 17-88, plus a Tamron 150-600 within the $2k budget?"

No it is not. That's why it was suggested as a after thought later add-on.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

ebiggs1 — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:28:35 GMT

"I will definitely look into the 5D3 or 4 --- what are the main differences?"

IMHO, you don't want "old tech" since you are buying new. That eliminates the 5D3 and certainly the outdated 6D. Simply buying a newer body is generally the best idea. Not just the sensor is upgraded in the newest bodies but everything else gets a boost up.

Re: Looking for a new camera body 2K budget

RobertTheFat — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:47:27 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"I will definitely look into the 5D3 or 4 --- what are the main differences?"

IMHO, you don't want "old tech" since you are buying new. That eliminates the 5D3 and certainly the outdated 6D. Simply buying a newer body is generally the best idea. Not just the sensor is upgraded in the newest bodies but everything else gets a boost up.

I have both cameras, and the improvement I most appreciate in the 5D4 is the full-time level in the viewfinder. (A feature which, BTW, is also found in the considerably older 7D Mk 2.)

The 5D4 also has WiFi, which is a convenience, but really more of a frill than the level is.