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Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 09:35:26 GMT

My EOS R7 with the 18-150 kit lens is having major issues relating to the video footage it produces. I primarily shoot videos of trains and railroading environments. In the footage I record, when the train goes by there is a horrific shake that goes throughout the entire image. Sometimes it's jello, others not. My first thought was this could be related to my (now old) tripod, the Davis & Sanford 7518B, and upgraded it to the Manfrotto 546BK-1 with MVH502A head. For the 546BK-1 I have the rubber feet on, not the spikes and everything is tightened adequately. The 546BK-1 also weighs 12.5 lbs so the weight of the tripod is likely not a concern to the problem. To my surprise, the upgrade barely helped and almost every single video I record has the shaking. I also tried the EOS R7 on my photo tripod the Manfrotto Element MII and that ended up having the worst shaking out of the three tripods I tried.

I have also tried updating the firmware on the camera, changing the way I have it mounted to the plate (normal vs. sideways), and trying the various video quality settings, all IBIS and Stabilization have been disabled along with the Auto-Leveling yet to no avail with the same results.

Compared to my old video camera, the Sony AX53 Camcorder the difference is monumental. Footage shot at the same locations will be great on the AX53 (a little shake but nothing stabilization in editing can't fix) while the R7 will be a violently shaking unwatchable mess. Same tripods, same spots, drastically different results. I accept that there will always be an amount of shaking in a video of a train going by, but not to the amount that the video is unwatchable and has to be deleted.

Any help would be appreciated for the issue I have occurring,
Thanks.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

rs-eos — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 11:23:27 GMT

What focal length are you primarily using? If you're at 150mm, that could be leading to making any shake much more obvious.

You may want to try experimenting with hand-held shots while incorporating any lens IS and/or IBIS.

A gimbal setup may also be a better solution.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 11:26:54 GMT

Ricky,

I am primarily going for wider landscape angles between 18-50 MM. I did take some hand-held footage from a moving train with IBIS enabled and it was fine. A test shot I did on my tripod with IBIS on also experienced the same shaking, around the same amount.

A gimbal would not be possible for my style of shooting.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

shadowsports — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 13:50:59 GMT

Hi Coastline,

When you say you've tried upgrading the firmware, does that mean to v1.3.0? (latest that is currently available as of this posting).

I have been following posts and video from others who claim to experience this phenomenon. Yours sounds different in that it happens when a train goes by and not at other times? I have seen video of Ibis wobble "jello" at shorter FL's. Does this happen with stationary subjects? Or does it only happen when a train passes?

When you connect a RF lens with IS to the camera the ibis settings menus are disabled when you activate the lenses IS switch. This automatically combines stabilization by the lens and camera. Movie mode (Movie IS) is the same.

Given that you are unable to consistently reproduce the behavior and that ibis appears to work handheld, I would suggest resetting the Camera's main settings to defaults, including your custom shooting modes (C1~C3) and retesting.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

Waddizzle — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 14:25:02 GMT

The others have made good suggestions. Your issue sounded like a vibration issue. But, it also sounds like a settings issue. Do you feel ground vibrations from passing trains?

What AF mode are you using? How many AF points are active? Since you are shooting wide angle, you should be able to capture most of the scene within the large DOF. I also think the could focus without the need for AF tracking.

I recommend focusing with a single AF point at an area of the track Once you have set focus, try disabling AF. However, I am uncertain if that will also disable IS.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

kvbarkley — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 14:41:21 GMT

You might be getting some unwanted help from the camera. IS lenses, and I assume IBIS helpfully turn themselves off when they detect they are on a tripod. I know of no way to turn this off.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

shadowsports — Sun, 09 Apr 2023 14:55:29 GMT

kvbarkley,

I was thinking the same. If you switch IS on the lens off, you should be able to disable ibis and movie IS in the camera's menus. The manual recommends disabling IS when a tripod is used.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 02:53:09 GMT

Hi Rick,

Yes, I am on Firmware version 1.3.0.

It will happen when a train is going by, approaching, or even if it is sitting idle sometimes.

Movie IS is disabled in the menu options, along with the IBIS, etc.

The results are the same after resetting the camera.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 02:55:26 GMT

Waddizzle,

I don't always feel the vibration in the ground when it goes by. I've been using single point AF, which I believe is called 1-point on the R7 and one point is active.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

finnmphoto — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 20:39:27 GMT

I wonder if the sensor on the R7 may not be fully locked nor fixed even if the IBIS is disabled.. A camcorders sensor is almost always going to be fixed with the body behind it.
Interesting topic.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

Waddizzle — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 22:33:46 GMT

Hmm. Try disabling AF, like I suggested.

Does this happen when the camera is unattended? No one is touching it? There is a known issue that produces results that are almost similar to your issue. It happens during video recording with a wide angle lens, and then someone tries to turn the zoom ring.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 23:25:28 GMT

Waddizzle,

The issue persists on Manual Focused video.

The camera is unattended at the times I am recording video and I walk more than 20 feet away usually well before the train goes by. I do not zoom while recording.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

FloridaDrafter — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 02:57:45 GMT

@coastline wrote:
I don't always feel the vibration in the ground when it goes by. I've been using single point AF, which I believe is called 1-point on the R7 and one point is active.

Just a thought, but take note of the sound frequency of the trains engines and if they are in sync (droning), if possible. You should be able to feel this in your chest. The ground will not be the only conductor of vibrations and may be very poor depending on the frequency, so you won't feel it. The sound may be making your equipment vibrate. I mess around with sound using synthesizers 🙂

Newton

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 03:17:01 GMT

I also tested my Nikon Z5 which is a mirrorless of a similar enough form factor on the same video tripod today shooting 4k 30fps video with all stabilization disabled. Compared to the R7 footage at the same location and angle and it's a night and day difference. The Z5's footage has a much, much less subtle shake more similar to the old camcorders.

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

finnmphoto — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:03:28 GMT

That's some good thinking. But wouldn't the sound frequency have also affected the users older camera as well?

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

Waddizzle — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:55:15 GMT

@finnmphoto wrote:
I wonder if the sensor on the R7 may not be fully locked nor fixed even if the IBIS is disabled.. A camcorders sensor is almost always going to be fixed with the body behind it.
Interesting topic.

This question is exactly why I suggested that you disable AF and Image Stabilization. Once disabled, the only thing that could make the camera/image shake should be mechanical vibrations.

BTW, have you tried a different RF lens, yet?

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

FloridaDrafter — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 22:47:09 GMT

@finnmphoto wrote:
That's some good thinking. But wouldn't the sound frequency have also affected the users older camera as well?

I would think so, but these are pretty new sensors to Canon cameras (IBIS). I understand that the OP is turning it off, and basically understand how it works in Canon cameras, but I've never read how they "park" the sensor when IBIS is switched off.

Newton

Re: Canon EOS R7 Unbearable Video Shake On Tripod

coastline — Wed, 12 Apr 2023 04:40:43 GMT

Waddizzle,

I've had image stabilization disabled since the start, I did one test with it enabled and it was still evident in the footage.

As mentioned in my comment yesterday, I also tried it on Manual focus and it made no difference.

I tried it today with an the RF 18-45 and its also still the same. I'm starting to think 'finnmphoto' 's comment is right and the sensor isn't fixed into place with IBIS disabled.