topic Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

MisterWizard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:59:29 GMT

Honest, I've looked in both the printed manual and the pdf version, and I can't find the answer.

In the picture styles settings for the user defined styles, there is a setting for "sharpness" but it doesn't allow any changes. Am I missing something, and if it's not to be modified then why even put it in the settings menu?

I'm new to this camera, but come from years of using the 1D series bodys so I do know my way around most of the menus.

And seriously, if I've missed it, please point me to the page or paragragh or archived scroll that it's explained in.

Thanks for listening!

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

Tronhard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:03:59 GMT

Hi and welcome to the forum

A lot would depend on which lenses are attached to the camera, the mode you are set to and whether the lens is set to MF or AF as well as the settings for the camera proper. Have you had this situation with different lenses?

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

Tronhard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:19:05 GMT

Are you looking at taking still images or video?

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

shadowsports — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:19:39 GMT

Agree with Trevor... and with such a beautiful camera, I'd stick with defaults and do any final sharpening in post.

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

Tronhard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:29:08 GMT

With the difference in resolution you will get between a 1D series body and the 45MP sensor of the R5, I think I would trial just using the camera set to one of the default settings - perhaps try several and do some tests with those.

Especially if you are shooting RAW, you can do a lot more tweaking in PP. If you really want to go to town, then use something like Topaz Sharpen AI: it does what it says on the box - uses artificial intelligence, with lots of input to sharpen images as well as provide some noise reduction - if you need that.

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

MisterWizard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:30:01 GMT

It doesn't matter what lens. I have the 24-105 RF lens, the rest of my glass is EF L glass using the $99 EF-R adapter. Lenses are set to AF and I'm uncertain what other "settings for the camera proper" would affect being able to adjust sharpness in the picture styles menus.

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

MisterWizard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:30:15 GMT

Stills.

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

MisterWizard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:38:13 GMT

The attached image is an example (taken from an online tutorial) of the detail set screen with the sharpness parameter simply not adjustable. It's like that in any of the picture styles selections, the Portrait one was just the one I grabbed to illustrate my point.
I appreciate all the suggestions, and I usually shoot JPG for just quick run & gun stuff.
It's not so much that I feel a compelling need to sharpen in camera as it is that I'm puzzled why the setting exists without any adjustment possibility. I've not seen this on any other Canon camera menu.
Like I said, I read thru the manual and the PDF manual and just haven't found any information about this, so I come to this wealth of knowledge with my questions.

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

kvbarkley — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:42:33 GMT

Note the indent:

I think that Strength, Fineness and Threshold are all components of Sharpness. It seems to me that rather than having *no* sharpness control, you have an embarrassment of riches!

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

MisterWizard — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:55:36 GMT

Hmmm, I never considered that. Interesting.
Thanks!

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

kvbarkley — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:19:43 GMT

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

johnrmoyer — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:27:22 GMT

In the PictureStyleEditor program that I downloaded from Canon, if I open a CR3 file I can change all 3 unsharp mask parameters. Then it allows me to save the new style in a file. I would expect that the EOS utility could install the saved style file onto the camera. Does that not work for you?

If you are trying to do this in the Camera, I have not tried that. The manual calls it "Picture Style Registration". Is that what is not working for you?

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

johnrmoyer — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:37:09 GMT

Sorry about my earlier comment. I did not understand. I hope this might be more helpful.

Unsharp mask has three parameters when digital. For film photography it was analog and used a slightly out of focus enlarger.

The names of the 3 parameters vary from software to software. The three parameters give one much more control of the unsharp mask than does a single slider.

There is a very good explanation at:

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/sharpness.htm

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/unsharp-mask.htm

Fineness might substitute for "radius".

I usually start with the "Standard Style" and almost always change the amount parameter from 4.0 to either 1.0 or 2.0. If no noise, I am likely to set "fineness" to 1.5 or 1.7 and if noise then I set fineness to 3.0 or 4.0. If there is blur, I set fineness to the number of pixels blurred.

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

FloridaDrafter — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:48:02 GMT

@MisterWizard wrote:

The attached image is an example (taken from an online tutorial) of the detail set screen with the sharpness parameter simply not adjustable. It's like that in any of the picture styles selections, the Portrait one was just the one I grabbed to illustrate my point.
I appreciate all the suggestions, and I usually shoot JPG for just quick run & gun stuff.
It's not so much that I feel a compelling need to sharpen in camera as it is that I'm puzzled why the setting exists without any adjustment possibility. I've not seen this on any other Canon camera menu.
Like I said, I read thru the manual and the PDF manual and just haven't found any information about this, so I come to this wealth of knowledge with my questions.

Just a bit of info on this: Although not labeled as such, that is called an "Unsharp Mask" and allows you to adjust various aspects of sharpening. What I call plain "sharpening" is usually a 0-10 scale, which I understand to be just strength. I shoot Raw only and process in DPP 4 and both Sharpening and Unsharp mask are available in the "Sharpening panel"

If you are not familiar with the Unsharp mask and its controls, there are good articles on line, some way over my head and some that get to the point.

Examples of Sharpening available in DPP 4. Not that I am suggesting you use DPP 4, these are just examples 🙂

Newton

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

FloridaDrafter — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:06:45 GMT

John, we must have been composing our posts close to the same time. I just hadn't refreshed the page before I posted 🙂

Newton

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

Lotus7 — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 22:08:42 GMT

As kvbarkley stated, you must select one of the "Sharpness" parameters.

Then Press SET to change the selected parameter.

Then Press SET again to store the new value.

"The attached image is an example (taken from an online tutorial) of the detail set screen with the sharpness parameter simply not adjustable."

Sometimes it's better to read the step-by-step directions in the manual rather than a possibly simplified "online tutorial" 😋

Re: R5 sharpness setting in picture styles

MisterWizard — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 22:25:48 GMT

Yep, finally the light bulb comes on over my head! Thanks to all for kindly pointing this out to me, even though it was staring me in the face the whole time.