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Canon mirrorless camera suggestions

Babemgnet — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:49:03 GMT

I would like to see a Mirrorless camera, with 45MP, Face and eye focus tracking, manual shutter, no video at all for professional still photographers, and sports photographers. Cut the cost. Maybe the R1? If you want video an R1C?

As a news paper Photographer I don't use, need, or want video. I do sports photography and would want a fast shutter speed, and face and eye tracking. I own two 90D's and they're o.k. I also own a 5d Markii, great for still portraits but not for sports. I still use my 40D, and D60 for fire scene photographs. The R3 would be nice, but, the cost is a bit much, and only 24MP. Full frame all the bells and whistles for still work no video. Thanks.

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:59:55 GMT

The R5 would be a good choice for Full Frame like the older 5D series. The R7 would be a good choice for sports but its and APS-C camera like the older 7D series. Or the cheaper R10 which is the successor to the 90D and xxD series.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

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AtticusLake — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 20:25:10 GMT

45MP, Face and eye focus tracking... sounds like you want an R5.

If you want a stills camera that has no video features at all, well, good luck, I don't think such a camera exists. But with the R5, just leave it in photo mode, and there's no reason the video features will ever bother you. Even the menus will just have the stills features.

Unless you really want a top-of-the-line camera at a bottom-of-the-line price, in which case, too bad -- no-one makes that camera.

(BTW, with Canon's naming, I believe the R1 will be their most expensive camera. It doesn't sound like that's what you meant. But if you did, it's rumoured to be coming in 2023, with 100 MP.)

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jrhoffman75 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 20:59:55 GMT

I wonder how much having video capability really costs.

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:59:07 GMT

I wonder if Canon will ever bring back an APS-H like what was in several 1D series cameras.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

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Tronhard — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:28:08 GMT

I have a lot of sympathy for your point of view, as I too am a stills-only photographer. Given that a lot of the economics depend on volume, I doubt that Canon will make a stills-only body because that will limit their sales.

Back in 2013, Nikon made the Df, a stills-only camera that was also a tribute to the original SLRs from the 1970-80 period. It was a brilliant camera (I still have, and shoot with two of them), using the flagship D4's FF processor that gave outstanding low light performance. They got serious grief from people who didn't understand the real purpose of the camera, and moaned that it didn't have video.

I realize you are not seeking a legacy-type interface, but it is telling that in releasing a similarly-themed MILC, in the form of the Zfc, Nikon did include video this time, and it has been a great seller - so it appears the interface was not the critical factor.

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Waddizzle — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:25:09 GMT

Obviously, there is some cost involved in adding video capabilities. But, the video features are mostly implemented through firmware. All of the hardware is already present in a stills camera. Designing a hybrid camera is almost a win-win for marketing and R&D..

In fact, designing the hardware with video in mind has probably improved the stills features in most camera brands. I have little doubt that the high speed frame rates available for still photography are a trickle down from developing hybrid hardware for both stills and video.

The biggest question in my mind is which came first, the chicken or the egg? Stills or video?

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Tronhard — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:32:55 GMT

"I wonder if Canon will ever bring back an APS-H like what was in several 1D series cameras"

I suspect that format is unlikely to find a significant market and with an already limited marketspace, I think they will concentrate on FF and APS-C formats - for a very limited market developing the tech for modern APS-H sensors etc. is unlikely to be economic.

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:58:42 GMT

Well FF is quite expensive even when Canon released the first 1D series. So I guess Canon's compromise was APS-H.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

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AtticusLake — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:51:27 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
But, the video features are mostly implemented through firmware. All of the hardware is already present in a stills camera.

No, adding video does in fact mean a lot of extra hardware. Even in phones/tablets (my background) a simple thing like rotating video 90° needs a special processor. H.264 & H.265 encoding will certainly use dedicated hardware.

I think the reason cameras have video is that the product managers feel it's a checkbox they have to tick in every product -- and not without reason. Trevor's post about the Df and the Nikon Z's is on point for me.

And, I wonder how many people really only want stills. On the R5, you can just hit that video button anytime something cool and dynamic happens in front of the camera. I suspect many die-hard stills photographers will find that handy from time to time.

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:07:09 GMT

The problem with removing video features means you just lost 85-90% of your market. Most people especially YouTubers are using DSLR or mirrorless cameras for video. Most of these cameras are marketed as video cameras. Even though there primary use is for stills use.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

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AtticusLake — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:18:18 GMT

The poster specified 45MP. The R7 is only 32.5MP. The R10 is 24MP.

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Tronhard — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:20:32 GMT

I agree with Dee. Canon got into serious strife with the R5 when they first released that unit by over-emphasizing the higher-res video aspects of what was otherwise an excellent stills camera. The overheating issue has been hanging over them since in some quarters.

I would love to see a relatively simple, dedicated stills camera, but I don't think that will happen. That's why I cherish my Nikon Df bodies still!

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:30:37 GMT

The R5 and R6 have a heavy emphasis on video specs. Instead of stills specs most photographers are looking for. Not to mention the R5 and R6 still have overheating issues.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

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AtticusLake — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:31:34 GMT

Just to be clear, I agree with Dee too. No video means losing most of your business -- video is a huge deal these days. That's why product managers are going to insist on it.

I really sympathise with people like the OP (not going to mention that name) who want a stills-only camera. I think there is probably a real core of serious stills photographers who would feel the same. But that's becoming a smaller and smaller niche nowadays. And like I said, in a well-designed camera, the existence of video features shouldn't intrude into a stills workflow.

Economically, video is so prevalent that it is almost certainly cheaper to make one camera with it all (like the R5, or the R3) rather than make a separate stills-only camera -- that camera might technically be cheaper per unit, but given the development costs and the probably tiny market for it, it wouldn't be worth it.

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AtticusLake — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:41:15 GMT

There's a LOT of anti-R5 feelings out there. Understandably, given that it was seriously mishandled at launch. But if someone is asking for advice on a purchase, I prefer to stick to the facts on how well a camera would fit a person's needs today. With that in mind:

I'm curious to know what stills features are missing from the R5? As a mainly video shooter, I may be missing something.
When you say the R5 has overheating issues, do you mean in stills mode? Because that's what we're talking about... right?

For video, it's still a fanless camera, and I don't know of any fanless camera that shoots 8k with no overheating issues. However, I have tested it for 4 hours continuous with no overheat: https://moonblink.info/MudLake/gear/r516

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:57:19 GMT

No I'm talking about the R5 and R6 overheating in video mode. But the R5 and R6 (I've used the R5, R6, R and RP) they're all great cameras. I was just pointing that most camera manufactures hype up and put more emphasis on the video specs more than the stills specs. But it would be nice if Canon made speedlites with an AF Assist compatible with mirrorless cameras. Instead of pulsing the speedlite rapidly like the built in flash on an APS-C camera. It can be quite distracting. Well Canon only has 1 speedlite with and LED light (320EX) but it blinds your subject when the AF Assist Beam lights up in their face.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

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jrhoffman75 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:13:54 GMT

@deebatman316 wrote:
I wonder if Canon will ever bring back an APS-H like what was in several 1D series cameras.
40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM

Is the rationale for why APS-H was introduced still relevant today?

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Waddizzle — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:28:53 GMT

“No, adding video does in fact mean a lot of extra hardware. Even in phones/tablets (my background) a simple thing like rotating video 90° needs a special processor.”

I have to totally disagree with that reasoning. A stills-only camera needs to rotate images, also. Stills cameras contain video hardware to drive their rear screens. All of the hardware is already present in a stills camera. Recording video is just another shooting mode that is implemented through firmware.

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deebatman316 — Sun, 28 Aug 2022 23:42:42 GMT

Also DSLR live view and an EVF on mirrorless cameras. You can't forget about that especially on mirrorless cameras. DSLRs and mirrorless cameras alike require video circuitry to allow the rear LCD screen and the EVF to work. You won't be able to use the EVF or rear LCD screen on a mirrorless camera and live view on a DSLR wouldn't work either.

40D, 5D IV, EF 16-35mm F/2.8L III, EF 24-70mm F/2.8L II, EF 28-135mm, EF 50 F/1.8 STM