topic Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

osya_bender — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 17:50:09 GMT

Here is the use case:

- Set camera to custom mode, say C1 that has shutter speed 1/400 configured for it.

- While in C1 shoot as usual adjusting shutter speed as need, say to 1/125

- Let camera go to sleep

- Wake the camera up

Observe shutter speed is reset to 1/400

I'd expect this not to be the case because letting camera going to sleep and waking it up is not the same (shouldn't be) as turning it off and then on.

If you enable autoupdate for the custom settings it will keep updating it with whatever you choose duting shotting but this kind of defeats the purpose of the custom mode in my opinion, where you are guaranteed to always start from the same set of settings when switch to that mode.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

rs-eos — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 17:53:10 GMT

I don't see anything about that in the user manual (i.e. sleeping resets the custom mode settings).

If you want the custom mode to always be updated to capture changes to settings, you can enable 'Automatic Update of Registered Settings'. See page 787-788 of the Advanced User Guide. But in your scenario, 1/125 would then be the shutter whenever you switch to C1. I don't think you can have two settings (default used when powered-on fresh, and maintain the current one when the camera is only sleeping).

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

Waddizzle — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:59:32 GMT

That is normal behavior for custom shooting modes. In fact, turning off the camera has nothing to do with the custom mode resetting back to its' predefined settings. It usually happens just as soon as the metering timer goes idle.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

osya_bender — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 20:35:41 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
...In fact, turning off the camera has nothing to do with the custom mode resetting back to its' predefined settings. It usually happens just as soon as the metering timer goes idle.

This is not the case for R5. As long as the camera is on whatever settings are changed stay that way, only when it goes to sleep or turned on and then brought back the settings will reset.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

osya_bender — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 20:38:07 GMT

@rs-eos wrote:
I don't see anything about that in the user manual (i.e. sleeping resets the custom mode settings).

If you want the custom mode to always be updated to capture changes to settings, you can enable 'Automatic Update of Registered Settings'. See page 787-788 of the Advanced User Guide. But in your scenario, 1/125 would then be the shutter whenever you switch to C1. I don't think you can have two settings (default used when powered-on fresh, and maintain the current one when the camera is only sleeping).

Yes, seems that is the only option (setting autoupdate as enabled) to avoid settings reset to the originaly configured for a given custom settings mode. Not optimal in my opinion though.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

Waddizzle — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:00:19 GMT

@osya_bender wrote:
@rs-eos wrote:
I don't see anything about that in the user manual (i.e. sleeping resets the custom mode settings).

If you want the custom mode to always be updated to capture changes to settings, you can enable 'Automatic Update of Registered Settings'. See page 787-788 of the Advanced User Guide. But in your scenario, 1/125 would then be the shutter whenever you switch to C1. I don't think you can have two settings (default used when powered-on fresh, and maintain the current one when the camera is only sleeping).
Yes, seems that is the only option (setting autoupdate as enabled) to avoid settings reset to the originaly configured for a given custom settings mode. Not optimal in my opinion though.

If the settings should not reset when the camera powers down, then when do you think it should reset? If not then, when?

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

osya_bender — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:05:46 GMT

On power down it should but not during the sleep.

Power down == turn the switch off

Sleep == have auto power off after X minuted set to enable

Apparently sleep is implemented in the same way (in terms of resetting the settings) as the power off is.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:29:30 GMT

@osya_bender wrote:
On power down it should but not during the sleep.
Power down == turn the switch off
Sleep == have auto power off after X minuted set to enable

Apparently sleep is implemented in the same way (in terms of resetting the settings) as the power off is.

Yes. No where does Canon describe a sleep mode. It is called Auto power off. Same effect as manual power off. Retaining settings requires power, could run down the battery. Can't speak for the R5, but my 1D X allows various time settings, including Disable.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

Waddizzle — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 03:25:12 GMT

@osya_bender wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
...In fact, turning off the camera has nothing to do with the custom mode resetting back to its' predefined settings. It usually happens just as soon as the metering timer goes idle.
This is not the case for R5. As long as the camera is on whatever settings are changed stay that way, only when it goes to sleep or turned on and then brought back the settings will reset.

Okay, the R5 is different. That behavior is a first for any digital Canon camera that I am familiar with. I think it is rather awkward that the only way to reset the settings would be to let the camera turn itself off, or for you to actually turn it off.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

r1ch — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:07:46 GMT

This is stupid. If this is the case, a camera should never change my settings I have changed from the custom setting whether it sleeps or turns off. The only time it should reset it if I change from C1 to Manual mode, then when I change back to C1, then reset all settings back to C1. While I am in C1 and I make a change to say exposure compensation, exposure compensation should never be changed whether the camera goes to sleep or is turned off. It is only rest when I go to manual then back to C1. A camera should never change my exposure compensation when it sleeps tor turns off.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

aneuens — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 06:22:38 GMT

same problem here, I got one R5 for testing and I am used to Sony, Fuji, Nikon and Panasonic, all have there own quirks and tics, but have never experienced something more illogical and inconsistent then the behavior of this R5. I never used a canon, but if this is normal, the R5 won't be for me. as this camera is a loan, i suppose that a previous user has configured some strange things, but even a simple "restore to factory defaults" does not exist

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

Waddizzle — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:12:41 GMT

If you wish the camera to retain your settings, then do not use a Custom Shooting mode.

The whole point of a defining a custom mode is to retain and restore a set of camera settings. There is the option that allows a custom mode to retain changes to the settings. But leaving that enabled defeats the entire purpose of using a custom shooting mode.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

r1ch — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 18:30:40 GMT

You miss the point. I turn the camera on. Choose C1, Yes I want the camera to load the camera settings. If I turn the camera off and turn it on and C1 was originally chosen I want it to reload the C1 settings. If I make a change to the C1 setting like 1 stop less exposure compensation, I want it to remember that setting change without storing it to C1. If it goes to sleep or turns itself off, it stil remembers 1 less stop exposure compensation unless. I turn the power button off, When turned on it reloads the original C1 settings. If I change it from C1 to C2 back to C1, i want it to reload the original C1 settings. If I load C1 setting change the exposure compensation and then talk to the person I am taking a picture of and the camera goes to sleep after 5 mins (it turns itself off). I do not want to reload my change to the exposure compensation. It is like the camera has a mind of its own and changes the setting when it feels like it. Not when I want it too. In the middle of a shoot no camera on the planet should change it's own settings by itself. Only if you tell it to. That is plain stupid.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

Waddizzle — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 19:20:02 GMT

Check your Automatic Update setting. Everything that you described is exactly how the camera is supposed to work. Be sure to register your settings, too.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

Tronhard — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 21:25:06 GMT

I realize this issue has had many posts and I may be out of line, but this is how I use the custom settings. I don't use it to store specific shutter speeds: rather I choose modes of operation for the kinds of subject I want to shoot. For example, I have C1 set to capture wildlife, so the settings I want include servo focus, eye tracking for animals, high shutter speed, single point AF and AE. C1 is similar but for people and C3 is set to more general tracking.

When I want to define a shutter speed or aperture within those, I just dial it in: for me it is appropriate to just set the shutter speed, aperture etc. as I need it - in other words, I am setting mode of behaviour rather that specific values. I have always checked my settings when I go to take a photo and expect to have to make changes when I shoot, depending on the changing light conditions. If I want to remember a series of settings, then I put into manual mode, Av or Tv mode and shoot that way.

I realize your frustration is that the camera does not recall the last valued you manually dialled in to override those of the C-values but to me, the retention of those values is rather the point. I find the same things on many of the other brands so, to me, that's not unusual.

I shoot Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Olympus and Sony, and must admit I have never had an issue with switching between brands. Sure, different brands approach some of these things differently, but that is the nature of the beast.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:24:34 GMT

Reset camera here:

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:27:28 GMT

@r1ch wrote:
You miss the point. I turn the camera on. Choose C1, Yes I want the camera to load the camera settings. If I turn the camera off and turn it on and C1 was originally chosen I want it to reload the C1 settings. If I make a change to the C1 setting like 1 stop less exposure compensation, I want it to remember that setting change without storing it to C1. If it goes to sleep or turns itself off, it stil remembers 1 less stop exposure compensation unless. I turn the power button off, When turned on it reloads the original C1 settings. If I change it from C1 to C2 back to C1, i want it to reload the original C1 settings. If I load C1 setting change the exposure compensation and then talk to the person I am taking a picture of and the camera goes to sleep after 5 mins (it turns itself off). I do not want to reload my change to the exposure compensation. It is like the camera has a mind of its own and changes the setting when it feels like it. Not when I want it too. In the middle of a shoot no camera on the planet should change it's own settings by itself. Only if you tell it to. That is plain stupid.

Doesn't this do what you want?

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

r1ch — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 21:21:15 GMT

No John, this does not do what I want. I don't want the setting updated. I want C1 to always be the same when I turn the camera off, change from TV or C2 to C1. I don't want C1 updated automatically.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

r1ch — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 21:32:11 GMT

"For example, I have C1 set to capture wildlife" I use C1 for birds in flight and I don't want those settings ever overridden.

If I am shooting snowy egrets only, I want to lower the exposure for 1 stop to not blow out highlights. I want that temporary change to stay in the camera as long as I don't turn off the power button. Once I turn off the power but it loads the standard C1 for birds in flight settings and forgets my temp settings. It does not remember snowy egret 1 stop lower exposure.

As it is now, if the camera goes to sleep, it will forget my temp settings and load C1. Don't change my temp setting ever unless I change modes to Av or C2 and back or I turn the camera on and off.

Re: R5 Custom mode and coming back from sleep resets settings to initial from custom mode

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 21:35:49 GMT

Increase the power off time and deal with battery life impact.