topic Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

atomicgrunt — Sat, 07 May 2022 00:07:33 GMT

I have an R5 and a Ninja V recording monitor. The R5 will not trigger the external recording over HDMI if there isn't a card inserted into the R5. This completely defeats my main purpose of recording externally. If there's a card in the camera, the camera overheats. If there's no card inserted I can record to my Ninja V for hours without it overheating.

For most of my shoots I have the R5 and Ninja V on a gimble. So I have to left go of one hand and push the button on the Ninja V to start recording, instead of just moving my thumb to the record button the the Ronin. This is a huge innocence and makes shooting very uncomfortable.

Does Canon have any plans to update the firmware so the R5 will trigger recording over HDMI without a card inserted?

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

Waddizzle — Sat, 07 May 2022 14:52:22 GMT

I was not aware the R5 had this limitation. It sounds a little strange to me, though. What you are saying is that there is no HDMI video output signal if the camera is not in a recording mode..

The camera only overheats in certain high performance recording modes. Perhaps the high resolution signals are only available on the HDMI output when the camera is actually recording. Again, that does sound a little strange to me. It does not sound like something I would want to happen when I tried to use it.

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

atomicgrunt — Sat, 07 May 2022 15:03:10 GMT

The R5 will send output over HDMI as soon as the cable is plugged in. The issue is that the R5 will not trigger the external recorded to record, unless the R5 has a card in it.

Sony, Panasonic, and many other brands have a feature that if you hit the record button on the camera with an external recorded plugged into via HDMI, the camera will start recording to the external recorder. The R5, does this as well, but The R5 will only do this if there’s a card in the camera.
I primarily use my R5 in 4K 24 or 60. After 25 to 30 minutes, it’s overheated. If I take out the memory cards and record externally, I can record for 3-4 hour without interruption. Since the R5C isn’t possible to get me hands on, my only solution is recording externally (which is fine because I can just record is ProRes and SSD storage is way cheaper than CFexpress cards), but not being able to trigger recording over HDMI is killing my workflow.

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

shadowsports — Sat, 07 May 2022 15:57:15 GMT

Greetings,

I would think this would be possible. This is only a guess since I don't have a Atmos V laying around. I haven't researched the complete differences between the V and V+ yet either.

Edit,

Appears to be possible:

https://youtu.be/PnG00Fhu5pI

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

atomicgrunt — Sat, 07 May 2022 17:38:54 GMT

The “release shutter…” is located in the photo menu.

In the video menu, there’s a Timecode menu that allows you to turn over HDMI Triggered recordings. This feature does exactly what I need it to, but ONLY if there’s an SD of CFX in the R5. I don’t want to record on the R5 and the the Ninja V. I don’t need redundant recordings, don’t want to overheat, and I can record 10x as long (1TB SSD) if I’m only recording to the Ninja V.

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

shadowsports — Sun, 08 May 2022 00:26:13 GMT

Greetings,

I'm well aware of the R5's limitations. I wanted this camera badly, but could not justify a $4K expense on something that might go down or that I'd have to attach a V or V+ to ensure prolonged use. I have a R5C on order. Having to carry a PD or gaggle of batteries is a lesser evil IMO. What I'm trying to help with is getting your R5 to record to the Pro-Drive SSD attached to your V without an XD or CF card installed on your body. No duplication, no proxy. The video I linked appears to show this is possible (with existing FW) without needing a feature request or FW enhancement.

See this starting at 2:06min

https://youtu.be/iObQ5eOcLuM

His video also shows "No Card In Camera"

Please clarify if I am misunderstanding your use case.

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

jaewoosong — Sun, 08 May 2022 09:02:25 GMT

I think this youtube video by the Deaf Director may answer your question

CANON R5/R6: Using the HDMI Trigger for your ATOMOS NINJA V/V+

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

shadowsports — Sun, 08 May 2022 13:58:09 GMT

@jaewoosong,

Helpful 👍

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

atomicgrunt — Sun, 08 May 2022 17:09:33 GMT

Thank you both for trying to help, but as Deaf Director says in your linked video, "THE CAMERA WILL NOT TRIGGER THE EXTERNAL RECORED UNLESS THERES A CARD IN THE R5."

The camera will trigger over HDMI without a card if you're shooting in RAW, but I don't want to shoot in RAW. I just want 4K 23p or 60p. The Deaf Director even comments in the linked video that it's frustrating that the camera can do this in RAW, but not in the other formats. That is what this Feature Request is about.

Again, thank you guys for trying to help, but believe me, I've watched all the videos on the R5 and Ninja V, and what I am asking for Canon to update is currently not possible with the current firmware. I shoot an 8 hour wedding yesterday with 2 R5's and 2 Ninja V's. I loved it, but both mine and my wife's wrists are killing us today from having to hold our gimbles with one hand to start and stop the recording on the Ninja Vs, because we can't trigger them with the R5 or the Ronins.

@shadowsports

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

jaewoosong — Tue, 10 May 2022 05:13:05 GMT

Correct, I provided the video link as just a better explanation of the behavior that you were seeing, not necessarily a method of fixing the problem.

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

shadowsports — Tue, 10 May 2022 13:32:51 GMT

With the explanation, it makes perfect sense now.

You need to contact Canon with this request, the forums are not monitored by developers.

It's certainly a reasonable request.

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

VikingBoy — Sat, 16 Jul 2022 01:07:28 GMT

With the symbiosis of the R5 and the Ninja V/V+ that has come in recent times, this feature seems to me to be the most urgent feature to bring to this camera as soon as possible (for anyone jumping into this discussion here: its making possible the HDMI triggering of the Atomos when there are no cards in the EOS R5).

Canon PLEASE hear our cry!!

Re: Feature Request: R5 - External Recording without Card Inseserted

vulgerrity — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 15:19:52 GMT

I really hope Canon can get eyes on this and implement it. I just got an R5 and a Ninja V+ and noticed this issue. Requiring internal media in order to use the camera buttons to trigger an external recorder totally negates the unlimited record time of an external recorder.

I tweeted at Canon about the problem...we'll see if anything sticks...I'm not holding my breathe, especially since there was just a firmware update...does anyone know another place to make a proper feature request?