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Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

goldengate99 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 01:19:23 GMT

upgrading from a 60d to full frame - I have decent class (24-70mm f2.8, 70-200mm f4, 50mm f1.4, 85mm).

really really having a hard time deciding between 6d2 and 5d3. also considering 6d. Want to stay below $2k, can't really justify going over that. Although I'd love a 5d4 I just can't do it.....

Any advice is very much appreciated.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ScottyP — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 03:28:38 GMT

Depends on what you shoot.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

goldengate99 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 04:09:55 GMT

Lots of stills/portraits of horses and their owners, photos of my kids/family and I will do sessions w kids and families and high school senior pics etc etc. Not a pro but an enthusiast who’d like to get better and do more.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

RobertTheFat — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 04:38:20 GMT

@goldengate99 wrote:
Lots of stills/portraits of horses and their owners, photos of my kids/family and I will do sessions w kids and families and high school senior pics etc etc. Not a pro but an enthusiast who’d like to get better and do more.

Get the 6D2 because it's newer. Canon has an annoying habit of discontinuing support for a camera before its useful life is over.

The 5D3 is better built and arguably has better weather sealing; but for the kinds of photography you do, that's not likely to matter. The 5D3 may have a slightly better autofocus system, and the 6D2 may have slightly better low-light performance; probably a wash.

Don't get a 6D; either of the other two is worth the additional cost. Watch for a refurb unit in the Canon Store.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ScottyP — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:04:11 GMT

I agree with Bob on the 6d2.

Your shooting doesn’t include a lot of fast sports so the slightly better autofocus of the 5d3 won’t make a difference. Neither would its slight weathersealing edge.

The low light AF advantage of the 6d2 and slight low light IQ advantage certainly could be useful. The fact 5d3 is old and about to be discontinued is another thing. And you can save $500 or $600.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

Waddizzle — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 13:26:52 GMT

@goldengate99 wrote:
Lots of stills/portraits of horses and their owners, photos of my kids/family and I will do sessions w kids and families and high school senior pics etc etc. Not a pro but an enthusiast who’d like to get better and do more.

I do not think you “need” a 5D3, either. In fact, for what you describe, I think you could do just as well with a 6D. But, I am going to recommend the 6D2, mainly because if you decide to capture a family video, then you will want the video capabilities in the 6D2.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ebiggs1 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:30:15 GMT

"Lots of stills/portraits of horses and their owners, photos of my kids/family and I will do sessions w kids and families and high school senior pics ..."

Just about any DSLR will do that nicely.

I shoot lots of Senior photos and I use both a cropper and a FF. Yearbook starts next week so I will be busy!

Your lens choice will be more important than your camera choice. These are the lenses I use....

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens,

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens, pretty standard and most people consider them best there is. However there is one more lens that I find indispensable for group Yearbook shots.

The Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens, you may want to consider it.

Personally I would rather have that lens than any of the FF's you are looking at if it meant I couldn't have that lens.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

shadowsports — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:44:14 GMT

goldengate99,

I'm sure you know my vote between those 3.

If you were going to go 5Dx, then the IV would have to be added to the table. This puts you at a much higher pricepoint.

Between the 6D and 2, Canon has improved on every freature/spec of the original. When you compare low light, high ISO shots, the 6D2 stil holds its own, even if compared to the 5D4. Of course the ferrari can and does eventually pull away from the pack and thats why it costs more.

Your situation, bang for buck. 18MP to 26.2MP, greater ISO, 9 AF points vs. 45. Digic 7, the 6d2 for your photography is the easy choice like the guys are saying. Also, I have purchased refurb and brand new from Canon. Can't tell the difference. Don't hesitate to buy refurb if the right deal comes along.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

RobertTheFat — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:14:11 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"Lots of stills/portraits of horses and their owners, photos of my kids/family and I will do sessions w kids and families and high school senior pics ..."

Just about any DSLR will do that nicely.

I shoot lots of Senior photos and I use both a cropper and a FF. Yearbook starts next week so I will be busy!
Your lens choice will be more important than your camera choice. These are the lenses I use....
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens,
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens, pretty standard and most people consider them best there is. However there is one more lens that I find indispensable for group Yearbook shots.
The Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens, you may want to consider it.

Personally I would rather have that lens than any of the FF's you are looking at if it meant I couldn't have that lens.

To me that makes no sense. If you're not getting, or don't already have, a FF camera, you don't need the 16-35. Its range falls almost within that of any of the usual walkaround zooms for a crop camera. The 17-55mm f/2.8 IS will do just fine.

I have the 16-35mm f/4L and think it's a fine lens. But I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't had a FF camera.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

goldengate99 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:31:43 GMT

As original post outline, I have two L lenses, the 70-200 f4 and the 24-70 f2.8. I also have a 85mm prime lens.

I did purchase the 6d2 a week or two ago, but after watching videos on YouTube by people who have used it (the camera store and others), and reading the very mixed reviews online - i decided to return it while I do more research.

Concerned about the brouhaha re 6d2 Dynamic Range and loss of detail, and the stupid AF system being clumped in the middle - hence the need to focus and recompose. Also kinda bummed about the single card slot, as I get more professional in my approach I don't want to lose any images/customers.

I found a used 5d3 at b&h with 3200 shutter count for $1719. I have it on hold and am thinking hard about it.

I shoot video mostly with my iphone.... so not too worried about using a big DLSR for video.

Really wish that this was easier. UGH.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ebiggs1 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:02:12 GMT

"Concerned about the brouhaha re 6d2 Dynamic Range and loss of detail, and the stupid AF system being clumped in the middle.."

You need to stop reading so many reviews and Youtube. Although I am not a 6D or 6D Mk II fan, they are both capable cameras. it would have worked well for what you are doing.

Most reviewers want to justify a purchase or justify not purchasing a camera. The rest are pixel peepers which has nothing to do with real world photography. Take a look at my "Can you pick" thread here on Canon forum.

They, the 6D models, are not pro level, however, and it sounds like that is where you are or want to be headed. That does make a better case for one of the 5D models. Dual card slots is mandatory for a pro. Plus the 5D series is just a better build body. It is more designed to do day in day out service.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

goldengate99 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:07:49 GMT

I was taught to research a purchase before I drop $2000+ on something.

Looks like the 6d2 has a lot of weaknesses. Hence the collective research happenening.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ebiggs1 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:08:15 GMT

Robert, Robert, my friend,

There is a huge difference in our work models. You seem to forget that. The Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens and the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens may share a nearly similar FL, that is where that similarity ends. The two lenses are not even in the same zip code in build.

Until you live this lifestyle you probably don't even realize that makes a difference.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ebiggs1 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:14:11 GMT

"I was taught to research a purchase before I drop $2000+ on something."

I can't fault that. Makes sense. But it does make a difference if the research is valid. The sad truth is most of the ole inner web advice is worthless.

The lenses you choose will have more of an impact on your work than any camera will.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

goldengate99 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:14:51 GMT

BOYS! Stop your bickering. You sound like old ladies. Enough.

I cannot decide between spending $1719 on a 5d3 with 3200 clicks or a new 6d2 for $1699.

Seems like the juries are out all over the world on the 6d2 - most seem to think that it won't be a camera that will go down in history or that the masses will flock to.

I am hoping that whichever body I buy will last me the next 5+ years and won't bug the **bleep** out of me.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

ebiggs1 — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:22:24 GMT

"BOYS! Stop your bickering. You sound like old ladies. Enough."

You asked we didn't. Sorry if you don't like the answer.

Truth of the matter is the 6D Mk II would have been fine. The 5D Mk III will also.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

RobertTheFat — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 17:03:42 GMT

@goldengate99 wrote:
BOYS! Stop your bickering. You sound like old ladies. Enough.

I cannot decide between spending $1719 on a 5d3 with 3200 clicks or a new 6d2 for $1699.

Seems like the juries are out all over the world on the 6d2 - most seem to think that it won't be a camera that will go down in history or that the masses will flock to.

I am hoping that whichever body I buy will last me the next 5+ years and won't bug the **bleep** out of me.

For $2100 you can have a new 5D3. At that price, I think it's a better value (though not a better camera, obviously) than a new 5D4.

3200 clicks isn't very many on a 5D3, but with any used camera it's hard to know where it's been and how it's been treated.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

Waddizzle — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 17:51:22 GMT

@goldengate99 wrote:
As original post outline, I have two L lenses, the 70-200 f4 and the 24-70 f2.8. I also have a 85mm prime lens.

I did purchase the 6d2 a week or two ago, but after watching videos on YouTube by people who have used it (the camera store and others), and reading the very mixed reviews online - i decided to return it while I do more research.

Concerned about the brouhaha re 6d2 Dynamic Range and loss of detail, and the stupid AF system being clumped in the middle - hence the need to focus and recompose. Also kinda bummed about the single card slot, as I get more professional in my approach I don't want to lose any images/customers.

I found a used 5d3 at b&h with 3200 shutter count for $1719. I have it on hold and am thinking hard about it.

I shoot video mostly with my iphone.... so not too worried about using a big DLSR for video.

Really wish that this was easier. UGH.

The complaints about dynamic range and clustered AF points are petty, IMHO. The 30% increase in resolution, with marginal change in DR sounds like an improvement to me.

As for the clustered AF points, Canon has done it before, with the same host of complaints, with 1D and 1Ds bodies sharing the same focus system. If you looked through the viewfinder, you will see that the AF points cover the SAME angle of view in the 1Ds3 and 1D4. The same is true with the 80D and 6D2. In fact, the 6D2 may be slightly wider.

Furthermore, the clustered AF points provide MORE DATA to the camera when you are AI Servo mode. The camera tracks extremely well. My keeper rate is much improved over using a 7D2, and the photos are sharper.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

shadowsports — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 02:19:04 GMT

Wadizzle,

You just summerized the whole thread... Bob and Ernie offered the alamode and I said from the start that if a 5D(any) was going to considered that GG99 better save his pennies for the IV.

GG99, I watched every youtube video and read every article I could find.. DXO, DP Review, Ken Rockwell, Jared Polin Fro Knows Photo, Amazon, B&H and I purchased a 6D2. No regrets here. Great entry level FF camera.

If you are that conflicted, you need to rent both and go on a shoot. We've told you what we think and would do.

Good luck with your decision.

Re: Upgrading to Full Frame from 60d - which to go to? 6d/6d2/5d3?

Mitsubishiman — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 03:56:53 GMT

As with any decision there will come a coulda shoulda, it really comes down to your budget, you would not regret the 5d3, it will serve you well, you already have two of the best lenses, I read through the advice of an aditional lens, I have both the Canon EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM & Canon EF 16-35mm f2.8L III USM

I have not taken the cap off the first one since I bought the latest version, and I have stated it before the Series III will become ledgendary.