topic Re: 7D vs 70D in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

7D vs 70D

chief — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:56:50 GMT

Which would be a better camera the 7d or 70d for shooting birds and is my Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6. compatible with both

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:02:52 GMT

7D as build alone is way much better. And. yes you can use that lens on either.

Re: 7D vs 70D

TTMartin — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:03:57 GMT

@chief wrote:
Which would be a better camera the 7d or 70d for shooting birds and is my Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6. compatible with both

The 70D is better than the classic 7D. The 7D Mk II is better than the 70D.

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:11:52 GMT

BTW, I assume you are looking used? You should try the Canon refurb store to see if they have an 80D. It might be a bit more expensive but it is a better camera and you will get the full Canon warranty.

Re: 7D vs 70D

shadowsports — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:42:46 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@chief wrote:
Which would be a better camera the 7d or 70d for shooting birds and is my Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6. compatible with both
The 70D is better than the classic 7D. The 7D Mk II is better than the 70D.

100% agree. MKII for buid, dual digics, dual card, 65 AF points. You want to take pictures of bids flying... you'll do so effortlessly with the 7D2. I am not a fan of the 80D.. but that's why there are choices.

Re: 7D vs 70D

RobertTheFat — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:27:09 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@chief wrote:
Which would be a better camera the 7d or 70d for shooting birds and is my Tamron SP 150-600mm F/5-6. compatible with both
The 70D is better than the classic 7D. The 7D Mk II is better than the 70D.

That the 7D Mk II is a better camera than the 70D is indisputable, especially for shooting birds. However, I think it's less clear that the 70D is better than the 7D. We've seen, in this forum, an unusually large number of complaints about 70D's that suddenly quit working and had to undergo an expensive repair or replacement of the main circuit board. There appears to be some evidence that the problem is related to heavy video usage, but Canon hasn't admitted to anything definite, AFAIK. So if I were making the decision, I'd avoid the 70D.

Full disclosure: I've never used a 70D, but I've owned and used 7D's for several years and found them to be absolutely reliable.

One camera you might want to look for is a refurbished 80D. (Edit: I see now that Ernie already suggested that.) The 80D is a modern design with some nice features, and I don't recall seeing any serious complaints about its reliability.

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:42:45 GMT

"The 80D is a modern design with some nice features ..."

In this discussion the refurb 80D is the logical choice if one is available. If price is doable that is.

In fact the 80D and Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens for Canon just may be the best buy, overall, of any current DSLR/lens combo.

Otherwise go for a good used 7D. Much better choice than a used 70D, IMVeryHO, of course.

Re: 7D vs 70D

Waddizzle — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:00:39 GMT

I just looked in the Refurbished Store. The current best buy in stock is a 7D Mark II "Holiday Bundle".

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-7d-mark-ii-body-ef-50-14-refurbished-holiday-bundle

That is steal. A 7D Mark II and EF 50mm f/1.4 for less than a 6D.

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-80d-ef-s-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-is-stm-kit-refurbished

The 80D Bundle with the EF-S 18-55mm lens is a steal, too.

Re: 7D vs 70D

chief — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 22:40:03 GMT

Thanks everybody, really looking at the 80D just to make sure my Tamron is compatible?

Re: 7D vs 70D

TTMartin — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 22:42:44 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
I just looked in the Refurbished Store. The current best buy in stock is a 7D Mark II "Holiday Bundle".

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-7d-mark-ii-body-ef-50-14-refurbished-holiday-bundle

That is a very good price on the 7D Mk II even without the lens.

I've never been a fan of the EF 50mm f/1.4, and even less so when the EF 50mm f/1.8 STM was released. But, since you are basically getting the lens for free it's hard to complain about that.

That is a very oddball kit, makes me think they are clearing out old EF 50mm f/1.4 stock in anticipation of a new EF 50mm f/1.4.

Re: 7D vs 70D

TCampbell — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 00:03:02 GMT

Any Canon DSLR (with the notable exception of a 10D... but that model was so very many years ago that it’s extremely rare anyone is still actively using one) that has an “APS-C” size image sensor can use ANY Canon EOS lens ... or lens designed for use with a Canon EOS body... with the exception of the Canon “EF-M” lenses (which are designed to fit Canon’s mirrorless “EOS-M” bodies.

The camera’s being discussed here... 7D (I or II), 70D, & 80D all have an APS-C size sensor. The cameras that do not have APS-C size sensors are the EOS 1 series (1D, 1Ds, 1D X), the 5D series, and the 6D series.

So yes... the lens will be fine.

From time to time an older 3rd party lens will have issues with a newer Canon body ... but often that’s just a matter of sending the lens back to the 3rd party vendor to have it’s firmware updated.

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 15:47:26 GMT

"...that’s just a matter of sending the lens back to the 3rd party vendor to have it’s firmware updated."

And, that can become quite a daunting to impossible task. Much better to for go any lens in that category. They probably aren't worth it anyway. Time or money spent.

Re: 7D vs 70D

TTMartin — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 16:30:22 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"...that’s just a matter of sending the lens back to the 3rd party vendor to have it’s firmware updated."

And, that can become quite a daunting to impossible task. Much better to for go any lens in that category. They probably aren't worth it anyway. Time or money spent.

The OP's Tamron 150-600 was one of those 3rd party lenses that needs to be sent back (multiple times) for compatibility with newer Canon cameras.

Update of SP150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD (Model A011) for panning shots

Due to the original design, the use of VC (Vibration Compensation) function could potentially increase the probability of image blur when shooting fast-moving subjects, such as racing cars, using a panning technique.

We are pleased to advise you that the VC function of SP 150-600mm now can be updated to accommodate panning shots with VC Mode "ON".

Whether you try to capture a stationary subject or something moving at a relatively high speed such as automobiles, the system automatically selects the optimal VC mode by detecting the motion of the camera/lens outfit. Thus, no switch-over is required between "ON" and "OFF" after the update.

The modification can be done by overwriting the firmware data at Tamron authorized service station. For handling procedures please contact your local Tamron distributor.

This update only effects lens performance when taking panning shots, so you may continue to enjoy the lens without this update.

Please feel free to inquire any further details to our authorized service stations.

◎ Model A011 with the following serial numbers have the new firmware.

Serial Number [As of May 12]
For Canon 055889～055907, 055909～055986, 055988～056009,
057062～057151, 058382～058501, 058832～058951,

059102～and up

Re: More Tamron lens compatibility issues

TTMartin — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 16:23:49 GMT

Notice about compatibility for Canon EOS 6D Mark II

Please kindly note the following when using a Tamron lens on the Canon EOS 6D Mark II.

SP 35mm F/1.8 Di VC USD (Model F012)
SP 45mm F/1.8 Di VC USD (Model F013)
SP 85mm F/1.8 Di VC USD (Model F016)

A notice regarding compatibility issue with the Canon EOS 77D, 800D, 1D X Mark II, 5D Mark IV and availability of firmware update service (About AF functions on Live View mode)

Interchangeable lenses for Canon, which has been produced before May 11th, 2015

SP 15-30mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A012）
SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A009）
SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD (Model A011）
SP 90mm F/2.8 Di MACRO 1:1 VC USD (Model F004）
28-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di VC PZD (Model A010）

Notice about firmware update for 18-200mm F/3.5-6.3 Di III VC (Model B011) for Canon

Firmware update available for SP 90mm F/2.8 Di MACRO1:1 VC USD (Model F017) for Canon

Firmware update service for SP 35mm F/1.8 Di VC USD (F012) and SP 45mm F/1.8 Di VC USD (F013)

A notice regarding compatibility issues with the EOS-1D X Mark II, 5D Mark IV and availability of firmware update service (about AF functions on Live View mode)

Affected models

Interchangeable lenses for Canon, which have been produced before May 11st, 2015

SP 15-30mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A012)
SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A009)
SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD (Model A011)
SP 90mm F/2.8 Di MACRO 1:1 VC USD（Model F004)
28-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di VC PZD (Model A010)
16-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD MACRO (Model B016)

A notice regarding compatibility issues with the EOS 80D and availability of firmware update service

Affected models Interchangeable lenses for Canon, which have been produced before May 11st

SP 15-30mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A012）
SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A009）
SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD (Model A011）
SP 90mm F/2.8 Di MACRO 1:1 VC USD（Model F004）
28-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di VC PZD (Model A010）
16-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD MACRO (Model B016）

A notice regarding compatibility issues with the EOS 5Ds and the EOS 5DsR, and availability of firmware update service

Affected models
For Canon
SP 15-30mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A012)
SP 70-200mm F/2.8 Di VC USD (Model A009)
SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD (Model A011)
SP 90mm F/2.8 Di MACRO 1:1 VC USD（Model F004)
28-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di VC PZD (Model A010)
16-300mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD MACRO (Model B016)

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 16:54:22 GMT

"...could potentially increase the probability of image blur when shooting fast-moving subjects, such as racing cars, using a panning technique."

The key word here is "could". I had/have two of these lenses. One for my D3x and one for Canon. I sold the Canon version some time ago. I never noticed any problems with either of mine. So I never sent them in, still ain't going to. Mainly now because of the G2 which is much better than the original.

The reason I consider this a 'daunting' task is Tamron, Sigma or Tokina is not Canon. Ever try to get them on the phone? Email? Sigma is getting better and so is Tamron, I admit. Tokina not so much. One friend of mine sent hers in and it was a couple months getting it back.

If the OP's big Tammy is working OK with his current camera it should still work as well or better with a 7D. Who knows?

Re: 7D vs 70D

Waddizzle — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:12:28 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
I just looked in the Refurbished Store. The current best buy in stock is a 7D Mark II "Holiday Bundle".

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-7d-mark-ii-body-ef-50-14-refurbished-holiday-bundle

That is a very good price on the 7D Mk II even without the lens.

I've never been a fan of the EF 50mm f/1.4, and even less so when the EF 50mm f/1.8 STM was released. But, since you are basically getting the lens for free it's hard to complain about that.

That is a very oddball kit, makes me think they are clearing out old EF 50mm f/1.4 stock in anticipation of a new EF 50mm f/1.4.

Yup. The lens is basically a give away. I just suggest that you go for that deal. Once it sells out, I doubt if it will come back.

I would avoid the 70D altogether. The older 7D is a nice camera, but the newer models, 7D2 and 80D, are more capable cameras. Take your pick while they are in stock, 7D2 or 80D. It is your budget.

The big Tamron lens should work with the 7D Mark II without issues, although I prefer the AF system of the 80D to that in the 7D Mark II. There is something about having more 27 f/8 points, compared to just one in the 7D Mark II.

It is a hard choice to make, 80D or 7D2.. Each has advantages over the other. The 80D has more consumer oriented features. The 7D2 has more professional oriented features.

Re: 7D vs 70D

Waddizzle — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:21:15 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"...that’s just a matter of sending the lens back to the 3rd party vendor to have it’s firmware updated."

And, that can become quite a daunting to impossible task. Much better to for go any lens in that category. They probably aren't worth it anyway. Time or money spent.

One of the main reasons why I recommend that people stick with Canon lenses. Only go third party when Canon does not offer what you are looking for.

Also, the Sigma Dock is my sole reason for choosing the Sigma 150-600 over the Tamron 150-600. That was before they released the newer Tamron, which allows users to update the firmware themselves.

I applied a firmware update to my Sigma 150-600mm "C" back in the spring. The update was a complete rewrite of the AF system. The update transformed the lens into a completely new model. It focuses faster, quieter, and more accurately. Not only that, I no longer to need any of my painstakingly set AFMA adjustments I had set in the lens, which took several months to complete.

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 21:42:49 GMT

"It is a hard choice to make, 80D or 7D2"

Do you want plastic or metal. Weather sealing or not? Pro level or consumer? Otherwise the THREE cameras are 'almost' the same. The T7i, 77D and 80D. You can claim difference in the AF and you would be correct but in real world use not much difference will be noticed.

"Only go third party when Canon does not offer what you are looking for. "

I am true blue Canon but there are real gems out there. If you stick to that rule, you will miss out on some great glass. A current lens inventory north of forty proves that fact to me. I encourage you to try some.

Re: 7D vs 70D

Waddizzle — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:20:48 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"It is a hard choice to make, 80D or 7D2"

Do you want plastic or metal. Weather sealing or not? Pro level or consumer? Otherwise the THREE cameras are 'almost' the same. The T7i, 77D and 80D. You can claim difference in the AF and you would be correct but in real world use not much difference will be noticed.

"Only go third party when Canon does not offer what you are looking for. "

I am true blue Canon but there are real gems out there. If you stick to that rule, you will miss out on some great glass. A current lens inventory north of forty proves that fact to me. I encourage you to try some.

There you go again. Who is talking about the T7i and 77D besides you, Ernie? Not me, that's for certain. Your above post proves it. Thanks.

"Only go third party when Canon does not offer what you are looking for. "'

There are some great third party lenses out there. But, your negative remarks about the bad service you can get from those some of those third parties, which I quoted BTW, are enough to justify my advice. Besides, those third party gems that you speak of are typically professional grade lenses, not comsumer grade lenses.

If you find a third party lens when a Canon does not fit your budget, then by all means, go for it. My advice is not a rigid rule, as you seem to characterize it. It is a suggestion. A suggestion to look at the Canon lineup first, before you start looking at third party lenses.

Re: 7D vs 70D

ebiggs1 — Mon, 25 Dec 2017 14:11:17 GMT

OK put th egg nog down and let me explain it a little better for you. First the T7i, 77D and 80D mention was simply to show the near similarity of the three. Meaning it really makes no difference which one of these a person chooses. That's all, nothing more.

It is true that third party lenses are not Canon. Still some, maybe just a very few, are outstanding lenses. Price is not the only reason. Since you have never owned many or even tried many, your advice, opinion, whatever is not really conclusive. On the other hand I never advise, suggest, recommend, whatever affirmation, any lens I do not personally have or use.

I wish you the best holiday season and new year.