topic 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Buknoy — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 11:53:40 GMT

Good Day to everyone I'm kinda bit confusing to choose among 7D mark II and 6D Mark II is more the best for a event photographer like me, please give me suggestion because i know you know the best one to choose. Thanks and Godbless.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

shadowsports — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 15:09:59 GMT

I take it you don't own a body or any lenses now? This might influence your decision.

The primary differences:

7d2
65 AF points
Shutter 1/8000
fixed screen
lower iso
4.0 fps

dual card

Dual digic 6

6d2
45 AF points
Shutter 1/4000
Swivel screen
higher iso
6.5 fps

single card

Single Digic 7

If you need to capture fast action, or want to track fast moving targets, the 7d2 might be a better choice. Otherwise, the 6d2 has more bells and whistles. It costs just a little bit more, but in my opinion you get more, and right now comes with a good deal more kit if you buy from BandH. I'm a little biased because I came from a crop body. Been there, done that.

It's proven you can take great pictures with a crop format camera. (I owned one for 2 yrs), but in the end, every real enthusiast I know eventually steps up to FF. You can always use your EF lenses on your APS-C camera, but not vice-versa. I'm not saying you'd want to do this, but in many cases its possible. I bought APS-C lenses to use with my old body. Its a system that works well. I've since replaced every lens I owned with an EF.

If your events include a lot of high speed action and moving targets get the 7d2. If you need the assurance that your captures are backed up to a second card, 7d2.

I take more pictures outdoors. Landscapes and architecture, staionary targets. I'm an enthusiast, its a hobby. If I had a card failure, I'd go back and shoot the pics again. I don't need to face clients and explain what happened and why the event didn't get captured. I don't earn a living with my camera.

My vote is FF.... but remember, I'm biased and was looking to move to FF. There are many good reasons to go APS-C.

I added a comparison link but it got stripped out of the post... BandH has the best deal on the 6d2 currently. Body+Battery Grip+Battery and More. There may be refurb deals too, I haven't checked. Hope this gives you a starting point.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ebiggs1 — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 15:04:28 GMT

Good day to you, too.

The Canon EOS 7D Mark II DSLR Camera all the way. No hesitation and it doesn't matter what lenses you may or may not have as it will use either EF or EF-S.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ScottyP — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:01:41 GMT

The 7d2 is a crop sensor camera designed to track fast moving objects with its many AF points. Its crop sensor crops the image circle in camera giving every shot the field of view it would have had if shot with a 1.6x longer (more telephoto) lens. The crop sensor puts you at a disadvantage in low light such that at elevated ISO settings it will have a degree of noise/grain and loss of detail as you wouldnt see in a full frame sensor unless it was set at a stop or two higher ISO.

The 6d2 is a full frame camera. It can give you better image quality in low light. It can give you shallower depth of field in your images. It has better autofocus than the 6d1 but still not as sophisticated as the 7d.

When I think of an "events" photographer I think of it including indoor and/or nighttime parties, weddings, concerts, etc. People indoors and/or at night at weddings, parties and concerts would very often count as low light. The full frame camera would have a distinct advantage there and could make better pictures in that setting. Dim lighting to a camera may seem plenty bright to your eyes.

The 7d2 would give you access to a handful of good quality EF-s lenses and a lot of mediocre EF-s lenses, none of which work with full frame. EF-s lenses may cost less than EF lenses so there can be a savings on lenses. If your "events" are outdoor sporting events with plenty of bright sunshine and fast moving track runners or racehorses, the 7d's autofocus would outperform that of the 6d2 for that shooting. If you shoot in the rain the 7d2 has better weathersealing, but still don't go out of your way to shoot in the rain.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 00:20:53 GMT

@ScottyP wrote:

If your "events" are outdoor sporting events with plenty of bright sunshine and fast moving track runners or racehorses, the 7d's autofocus would outperform that of the 6d2 for that shooting.

I would beg to differ. Have you ever used a 6D2? I have used both, and I like the 6D2 better.

My keeper rate with the 6D2 shooting youth tackle and high school football is over 90% with the 6D2, mainly because I can push the ISO, and really raise the shutter speed. I have no problem shooting at 1/400 under “Friday Night Lights”, with ISO as high as 12800, and f/5.6. The 7D2 doesn’t come close to that..

Shooting in bright sunshine, my keeper rate is nearly 100%. The 6D2 tracks extremely well, and captures photos with noticeably less noise than my 7D2. Do not believe the negative reviews about the 6D2 not being good for action photography.

I can acquire birds in flight faster with the 6D2 than i can with the 7D2, too. The 6D2 has 27 f/8 AF points compared to just the one f/8 point with the 7D2. The seeemingly densely packed AF points actually cover the same angle-of-view as the 80D, and the close spacing provides the AF system with more data to use.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ScottyP — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:52:24 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
@ScottyP wrote:

If your "events" are outdoor sporting events with plenty of bright sunshine and fast moving track runners or racehorses, the 7d's autofocus would outperform that of the 6d2 for that shooting.

I would beg to differ. Have you ever used a 6D2? I have used both, and I like the 6D2 better.

My keeper rate with the 6D2 shooting youth tackle and high school football is over 90% with the 6D2, mainly because I can push the ISO, and really raise the shutter speed. I have no problem shooting at 1/400 under “Friday Night Lights”, with ISO as high as 12800, and f/5.6. The 7D2 doesn’t come close to that..

Shooting in bright sunshine, my keeper rate is nearly 100%. The 6D2 tracks extremely well, and captures photos with noticeably less noise than my 7D2. Do not believe the negative reviews about the 6D2 not being good for action photography.

I can acquire birds in flight faster with the 6D2 than i can with the 7D2, too. The 6D2 has 27 f/8 AF points compared to just the one f/8 point with the 7D2. The seeemingly densely packed AF points actually cover the same angle-of-view as the 80D, and the close spacing provides the AF system with more data to use.

I was by no means denegrating the 6d2. I shot kids sports very well with my 6d1 and its very basic autofocus.

I do, however, have to think that for the one thing 7d2 was built for and in ideal conditions, high speed sports in broad daylight, the 7d2 should pull ahead at some point in extreme autofocus and high frames per second firing rate. If the OP has the budget for the 6d and can forego the EF-s lenses I believe it is the right choice for "event photography" unless they are going to tell us the tvents are all outdoor daytime track meets and includes no weddings or indoor soirées.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ebiggs1 — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:09:44 GMT

"My keeper rate with the 6D2 shooting youth tackle and high school football is over 90% with the 6D2..."

This in no way proves the 7D Mk II would not do the same or even better. In fact to the average person in regular use, I suspect you could not tell a significant difference. This comes down to which is more versatile. The 7D Mk II wins that hands down.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:45:10 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"My keeper rate with the 6D2 shooting youth tackle and high school football is over 90% with the 6D2..."

This in no way proves the 7D Mk II would not do the same or even better. In fact to the average person in regular use, I suspect you could not tell a significant difference. This comes down to which is more versatile. The 7D Mk II wins that hands down.

I have used both. Switched lenses to the new body. The 6D2 acquires the desired target more consistently, tracks a target better, lower noise, and gives me better looking photos.

Just about the only time I use the 7D2 is on a bright sunny day. If I am shooting Friday Night Lights, I know better than to bring the 7D2. It cannot go ISO 12800 as well as the 6D bodies.

Versatility? When I use the 1.4x extender with my 100-400 L, I get 27 AF points with the 6D2, and only 1 AF point with the 7D2. Guess which camera tracks a moving subject better. The 6D2 tightly spaced AF points tracks better, and stays razor sharp. The width of the viewfinder coverage of the AF points is similar to that of a 1Ds3, which had its' share of unwarranted complaints.

Ernie. We all understand that you just simply do not like the 6D, for whatever your reasons. So, I am not going to waste time convincing you otherwise. But, I will point out just how baseless the arguments that you put forth actually are. The average consumer really does not value dual card slots as much as you do. Ditto, for the weather sealing. The 6D2 has sufficient weather sealing, which is now better than the original 6D.

The average consumer does not need 1/8000 shutter speed. BTW, how long has it been since the last time you used 1/8000 shutter speed? I'd bet that you were not shooting sports.

I suggest that you practice what you preach and try a 6D2. It really does at least as well as the 7D2, and is better overall for shooting action, IMHO.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:05:04 GMT

@ScottyP wrote:

I do, however, have to think that for the one thing 7d2 was built for and in ideal conditions, high speed sports in broad daylight, the 7d2 should pull ahead at some point in extreme autofocus and high frames per second firing rate. If the OP has the budget for the 6d and can forego the EF-s lenses I believe it is the right choice for "event photography" unless they are going to tell us the tvents are all outdoor daytime track meets and includes no weddings or indoor soirées.

The key phrase here is "ideal conditions", meaning a bright, sunny day. The 7D is really good for shooting on an open field on a sunny day. Under less than ideal conditions, you get proportionally less than ideal results, just as you would with any camera.

However, the full frame 6D2 does not suffer from the effects of less than ideal conditions as much as the 7D2. I get better results using the 6D2 with the EF 100-400mm w/1.4x, compared to using the 7D2 with the just the 100-400mm alone.

The primary differences between the AF systems are smaller than you might think. The 7D2 has six AF presets for AI Servo mode, which use the same settings found in the 6D2. You adjust the settings manually in the 6D2.

The only time I might need to change 7D2 AF tracking settings is if I am tracking something small, compared to something large. So far, the same settings seem to work very well with the 6D2, no matter what I am focus tracking. The densely spaced AF points feed more data to the tracking system, so it actually works better than the 7D2.

Any future 7D Mark III has a tall order to fill, if it wants to surpass the 6D2's ability to track and focus. Because right now, the 6D2 gives the 7D2 a full run for the money, and exceeds it IMHO.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:13:06 GMT

@Buknoy wrote:
Good Day to everyone I'm kinda bit confusing to choose among 7D mark II and 6D Mark II is more the best for a event photographer like me, please give me suggestion because i know you know the best one to choose. Thanks and Godbless.

Define "event", and the types of photos you are looking for. Will you need to use a flash? Which camera is best is really up to you, and what it is that you need to do, AND what lenses that you might already own. I would suggest buying only EF lenses.

Both cameras are equally versatile under near ideal scenarios. Both have onboard GPS, while the 6D2 adds Wi-Fi connectivity. The 6D2 has one memory card slot, while the 7D2 has two memory card slots.

There are a host of differences. Based upon what little info that you have posted so far, I would say pick one, either one.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ebiggs1 — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:45:05 GMT

"I would say pick one, either one."

Apparently you don't subscribe to your own advice. The truth of the matter is any current DSLR makes great photos. The minute difference you try to ascribe to the 6D and Mk II do not exist in by far most of the situations. If you say you get 90% keepers that does not mean the 7D2 wouldn't do the same. Just as an example which applies to the other situations or conditions.

I have been at this game far too long and used too many different cameras from several manufacturers to know it is futile to place each in a certain bucket. Where one may have some small advantage over the other is offset by some other advantage.

"Both cameras are equally versatile under near ideal scenarios."

No they are not. The 7D2 makes use of ef-s lenses, the 6D can not, that can save some money. Also the better build of the 7D Mk II makes it the better choice in this case. Those are my opinions and as such is why I state them. The 6D family is entry level for FF buyers. The 7D family is more pro level. It is more 5D like. The 7D Mk II is also slightly cheaper if I remember correctly.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ebiggs1 — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:59:26 GMT

I actually refrained form specking the differences between the two but the 7D Mark II is the more professional camera, the ergonomics, dual card slots, image quality, faster burst rate, and buffer make it a better option at a cheaper price point.

The 6D even the Mk II is essentially an 80D except for the smaller sensor. OK, the fact the 6D Mark II is better in low light compared to the 7D Mark II is acknowledged. This can be largely eliminated by lens choice. The Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens for instance will grab that 1 stop difference back.

Like'em or not, those are my reasoning's.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:24:56 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
I actually refrained form specking the differences between the two but the 7D Mark II is the more professional camera, the ergonomics, dual card slots, image quality, faster burst rate, and buffer make it a better option at a cheaper price point.

The 6D even the Mk II is essentially an 80D except for the smaller sensor. OK, the fact the 6D Mark II is better in low light compared to the 7D Mark II is acknowledged. This can be largely eliminated by lens choice. The Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens for instance will grab that 1 stop difference back.

Like'em or not, those are my reasoning's.

Lens choice? Good luck using an 18-35mm lens for sport photography, as the OP has indicated.

I would beg to differ on image quality, but I will not argue the point, considering that you have conceded that the 6D is better in low light. There are more differences between the 80D and the 6D2 than sensor size. Personally, I dislike having a line of buttons along the left edge. I think it is bad ergonomics. BTW, the 1D Series has not buttons in that area.

Like I said, your priorities are different from most consumers. You want a professional grade camera. Just because the 7D2 is a best fit for you, does not necessarily make it a best fit for everyone. Some folks are happier with higher resolution and lower noise at the high shutter speeds, which sports photography almost demands, compared to a higher frame rate.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

RobertTheFat — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:16:09 GMT

ebiggs1 wrote:
"I would say pick one, either one."

Apparently you don't subscribe to your own advice. The truth of the matter is any current DSLR makes great photos. The minute difference you try to ascribe to the 6D and Mk II do not exist in by far most of the situations. If you say you get 90% keepers that does not mean the 7D2 wouldn't do the same. Just as an example which applies to the other situations or conditions.

I have been at this game far too long and used too many different cameras from several manufacturers to know it is futile to place each in a certain bucket. Where one may have some small advantage over the other is offset by some other advantage.

"Both cameras are equally versatile under near ideal scenarios."

No they are not. The 7D2 makes use of ef-s lenses, the 6D can not, that can save some money. Also the better build of the 7D Mk II makes it the better choice in this case. Those are my opinions and as such is why I state them. The 6D family is entry level for FF buyers. The 7D family is more pro level. It is more 5D like. The 7D Mk II is also slightly cheaper if I remember correctly.

The 7D2 is indeed 5D-like. The controls are virtually identical. My wife once picked up my 5D3 and used it for a couple of hours, thinking it was her 7D2.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

ebiggs1 — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:56:20 GMT

"...folks are happier with higher resolution and lower noise at the high shutter speeds..."

The fact the 6D line has a 1 stop advantage at similar high ISO's does not mean in any way the same photos are not totally usable from the 7D Mki II. There is no stop sign that says, "Oh you can't use those they are 1 stop noisier!" Most people don't pixel peep!

Also the higher resolution claimed in a 6D Mk II does not result in a better IQ. In fact most sources besides me say that isn't true.

Again you need to follow your own advice for once! "Just because the ~~7D2~~ 6D Mk II is a best fit for you, does not necessarily make it a best fit for everyone.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

Waddizzle — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:38:22 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"...folks are happier with higher resolution and lower noise at the high shutter speeds..."

The fact the 6D line has a 1 stop advantage at similar high ISO's does not mean in any way the same photos are not totally usable from the 7D Mki II. There is no stop sign that says, "Oh you can't use those they are 1 stop noisier!" Most people don't pixel peep!

Also the higher resolution claimed in a 6D Mk II does not result in a better IQ. In fact most sources besides me say that isn't true.

Again you need to follow your own advice for once! "Just because the ~~7D2~~ 6D Mk II is a best fit for you, does not necessarily make it a best fit for everyone.

Wow. I have not recommended a camera, but you already have.

My recomendation was “take your pick”, because there’s not enough info about the OP’s needs and skills to make an informed recommendation, which is actually advice that you have frequently advocated in the past!

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

John_SD — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:23:35 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
I would beg to differ. Have you ever used a 6D2? I have used both, and I like the 6D2 better.

I've used neither, but as someone who is seriously considering the jump into full frame, the 6D2 is a very attractive offering. And B&H, and others, are selling it for $1699 -- $300 off of the original $1999. This makes it very tempting, given the many favorable reviews the camera has received. I don't quite get the comparison to the crop sensor 7D Mark II, but whatever.

Re: 7D Mark II or 6D Mark II

alexkywalker — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 04:54:01 GMT

Thanks to all of you for this thread, I used to have a 7D Mark I and sold it and waited and waited. I went for the Canon 6D Mark II based on your comments (I also went to a store and tried both cameras myself).

Best Buy had a nice deal $1,499 (Body Only) plus they included a battery grip as a "gift" and some free photo printing credits. Now need to save for a 24-105mm for walkaround, but I mainly shoot macro and family photos when going out.