topic Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

canon R5 Profile for photoshop

R5 — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 08:20:15 GMT

Anybody knows when the R5 profile for Photoshop will be available

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 12:37:26 GMT

It doesn't seem likely that there will be. There are no .CR3 camera matching profiles for Lr/ACR.

Color Fidelity makes custom profiles. I have the profile for the 1D X Mark III and it is good.

Glenn Bartley has an R5 setup guide that includes his custom settings for the R5; it involves use of the Color Fidelity profile.

I used those settings fro a custom profile for my 1D X; it produces a nice starting image.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

R5 — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 12:46:06 GMT

jrhoffman75 thank you but very disappointing that canon not providing profile for r5 and 1D cameras
I tried using the dpp but it's working slow and very limited featured

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

jrhoffman75 — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 12:53:09 GMT

There is something going on between Canon and Adobe relative to the .CR3 camera matching profiles. It is unclear from reading web traffic where the problem lies - i.e. Canon or Adobe.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

ebiggs1 — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 14:28:58 GMT

You don't need Canon or Adobe! You can make your own color profile. Just shoot Raw + jpeg. Now in LR match the two and make a import preset. Simple! Name it "Canon R5 color profile" if you want.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

ebiggs1 — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 14:32:29 GMT

Sorry forgot to add then "Edit In Photoshop" from LR. The ACR for LR and PS is the same.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

Waddizzle — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 20:54:18 GMT

@R5 wrote:
Anybody knows when the R5 profile for Photoshop will be available

Which version of Photoshop and ACR are you running? I'Ve had the impression that this was resolved months ago.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

jrhoffman75 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 00:34:47 GMT

It has not been resolved. There are no Camera Matching profiles for any .CR3 cameras except the EOS R. And reportedly that is only because it is the same sensor as the 5D Mark IV. There are only Adobe profiles and it seems like a lot of folks don’t like the Adobe profiles.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

Waddizzle — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 11:25:13 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:
It has not been resolved. There are no Camera Matching profiles for any .CR3 cameras except the EOS R. And reportedly that is only because it is the same sensor as the 5D Mark IV. There are only Adobe profiles and it seems like a lot of folks don’t like the Adobe profiles.

I'Ve been holding back from an R5.R6 because of this issue, which confuses the devil out of me.

Are you saying that Adobe LR/PS can open CR# files, but the color rendering isn't all that great?

Can't I create my own color profile using ColorChecker? I can do so for my other camera bodies. I can match colors between different bodies under similar shooting conditions very closely, almost exactly.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

jrhoffman75 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 11:53:54 GMT

I’m not saying there is anything wrong with the Adobe profiles, but a lot of web traffic says that.

As far as what the issue is, go to the profiles section in Lightroom for a .CR2 camera. You will see Adobe Profiles and Camera Matching Profiles. The Camera Matching profiles are supposed to exactly emulate the Canon Picture Styles whereas the Adobe profiles (I have read) are Adobe’s decision on a look and they are designed to be consistent across cameras. For .CR3 bodies there are no Camera Matching profiles, just Adobe.

One could create their own profiles using the Color Checker.

I personally think it is primarily much ado about nothing.

There are people who prefer Lightroom, others who prefer Capture 1 or DxO PL4 for the way the convert RAW files.

In the case of Canon there are folks who say that Lightroom does a better job of conversion than Canon DPP. Technically that is incorrect. By definitiuon, DPP with create the most accurate convedrsion because only Canon really knows the intracasies of their sensors - DPP creates the conversion that canon intended.

That doesn't alter the fact that some folks might find another product more pleasing. That is a personal preference.

Yoiu can download some R5 RAW files here and see how you like how they look in LrC.

CANON R5: SETUP, NOISE PERFORMANCE AND REVIEW (glennbartley.com)

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

Waddizzle — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 11:45:15 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:
I’m not saying there is anything wrong with the Adobe profiles, but a lot of web traffic says that.

One could create their own profiles using the Color Checker.

Thanks, John. That'S what I will do. I had thought Adobe LR/PS could not even open the CR3 files.

Ever since I got a Color Checker I only use my own profiles. I can match colors between cameras perfectly. If want a "Picture Style", then create a Preset and every image comes out the same way. I highly recommend using one.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

jrhoffman75 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 11:58:21 GMT

CR2 camera

CR3 camera

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

Waddizzle — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:24:35 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:

CR2 camera

CR3 camera

Oh, I see now. I never use those, not even before I had Color Checker.. I have the calibrated camera profiles located under the profiles Tab. If I to apply "Landsape" to an image, then I use a Preset and would probably tweak it, anyway.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

ebiggs1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 13:31:08 GMT

"Can't I create my own color profile using ColorChecker?"

Yes you can and it is a non-issue.

"There are people who prefer Lightroom, others who prefer Capture 1 or DxO PL4 for the way the convert RAW files.

In the case of Canon there are folks who say that Lightroom does a better job of conversion than Canon DPP."

I doubt a single pro shop will stop using LR and PS. Amateurs and the advanced amateurs are the folks that fuel this segment.

LR and PS remain the industry standard and will for a long time to come.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

jrhoffman75 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:12:29 GMT

"I doubt a single pro shop will stop using LR and PS."

You would be wrong there. Martin Bailey for one.

"LR and PS remain the industry standard and will for a long time to come."

The statements are not mutually exclusive.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

R5 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:39:37 GMT

The R5 on PS./LR lack the correct profile, there is a huge difference between openig in dpp and lr/ps, and the dpp is ridiculous slow and low feature. This is not what i have expected from a high end performance canon camera
I hope canon will supply the profile soon

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

ebiggs1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 17:11:18 GMT

Sorry John but,

"I doubt a single pro shop will stop using LR and PS."

You would be wrong there. Martin Bailey for one."

I don't know the guy but I would bet there is LR and PS in his shop. He may have others some of us do/did but LR/PS is the standard mainstay. Hallmark had other editors but LR/PS was the editor of choice by far.

Just like somebody said on another thread, "I saw a pro use a Rebel". No matter that still does not make a Rebel a pro camera and neither does your example.

If you would prefer, I will amend my statement, 99+% of all pro shops will still use LR/PS.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

Waddizzle — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:03:48 GMT

@R5 wrote:
The R5 on PS./LR lack the correct profile, there is a huge difference between openig in dpp and lr/ps, and the dpp is ridiculous slow and low feature. This is not what i have expected from a high end performance canon camera
I hope canon will supply the profile soon

Why are you blaming the camera? I don't understand why people say thinks like "I expected better...."

The Canon DPP software has had a long reputation for being slow and having performance issues. It doesn't matter which Canon camera you use, either. Besides, if you're using LRPS why complaint about an app that you do not even use?

As for as a color profile goes, I recommend Color Checker to everyone. Build your own profile. It is like performing AFMA on the color reproduction of your image sensor.

Re: canon R5 Profile for photoshop

ebiggs1 — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:26:54 GMT

"...if you're using LRPS why complaint about an app that you do not even use?"

I suspect he is just explaining why he and I don't use DPP4 although we still keep it loaded on our computers. Besides its lack of being a true editor as it is more of a converter.

"Build your own profile."

Absolutely, if you don't like the way it does it create your own. No biggie!