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Really unhappy with EOS R6. Curious to know if others have similar Wi-Fi, IBIS, color issues.

johninbigd — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:05:25 GMT

I previously had a 60D, a 6D, then an R. I recently upgraded to the R6 and have mostly been unhappy with the expenditure. I do love the improved eye AF. That makes shooting a breeze! I also love the AF joystick and and the return of the old style control wheel. So nice! But.....the problems.

In order of mild to worst:

1. Horrible wifi connectivity problems

2. IBIS doesn't seem to work with any of my lenses (Tamron and Sigma, through an adapter)

3. Colors are horrible and photos lack contrast, creating a flat smeared sort of look that is really unpleasant

I process my photos in Lightroom Classic and have the most recent version available. I had zero problems with the 60D, 6D and R. Photos from any of those bodies look fantastic, especially the R. Colors are vibrant, skin tones are gorgeous, and there is plenty of contrast. I've done two shoots with the R6 and I absolutely hate the results. So much so that I'm already considering selling it. It's too late to return it, unfortunately.

Have any of you run into these issues, particularly with the color and contrast?

Re: Really unhappy with R6. Curious to know if others have similar issues.

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 04:11:30 GMT

Download and use Canon DPP on RAW files from the R6. If you are still having issues contact Canon support.

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shawnphoto — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 04:35:27 GMT

I hate to break it to you, but when you bought Tamron and Sigma lenses you bought second rate glass. Why is it Canon's job to make those lenses work with their cameras??

Buy a Canon RF lens like the RF 70-200mm, and revel in it's beauty. Seriously, it annihilates anything from Tamron and Sigma. Don't buy into the garbage online, Canon is #1 in glass, has been for decades, and probably always will be.

BTW I have the R5 and my files look good in Lightroom Classic. Not *quite* as good as DPP, but close enough for most people. My problem is Lightroom always looks too saturated in the yellows....

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johninbigd — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 04:37:22 GMT

The Tamron and Sigma glass I use rivals Canon's. They are hardly second rate. Yes, the new RF glass is amazing, but calling the Sigma Art line second rate is laughable. I'd put the Sigma Art 105 f/1.4 or the Tamron 35mm f/1.4 against anything Canon makes.

But, yes, the RF glass is insanely good.

Re: Really unhappy with R6. Curious to know if others have similar issues.

johninbigd — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 04:39:00 GMT

@jrhoffman75 wrote:
Download and use Canon DPP on RAW files from the R6. If you are still having issues contact Canon support.

I think this is the solution. I found out tonight that Adobe doesn't have the matching camera profiles for the R5 or R6 yet. I thought they did. Your workaround should work great in the short term. I also bought the camera profiles from colorfidelity.com. They do have an R6 profile, and people seem to like their profiles better than some of the ones Adobe provides. I haven't received the profile yet, so I'm still waiting to try it out.

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shawnphoto — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 04:53:44 GMT

There is more to the lens than sheer image quality, focusing, IS, weather sealing, weight, design, reliability, and DOES IT ACTUALLY WORK?

Canon built the whole system, the other players are basically leeches. I hate to say I bought Sigma Art (85 f/1.4 and 12-24 f/4) lenses and Tamron lenses in the past. I bought into the whole "sharpest lens ever BS" regarding the Sigma 85 Art. Yeah, it is sharp, and it has crap contrast, crap colors, boat loads of purple fringing, is huge, heavy, and frankly just stupid. And yet the world seems convinced it is the second coming of Christ. I have to disagree with all my heart and passion for photography, I will not support that second rate garbage any further!

CANON FOREVER!!!

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shadowsports — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 06:53:44 GMT

@shawnphoto,

I guess I also disagree with your your statement.... but you are right about Canon not being responsible to make their cameras work with lenses from other manufacturers. Sigma and Tamron leeches, I think not.

There is no denying sticking with Canon is a good way to go, but Sigma is not second rate glass... Admitedly, I'm not a fan of Tamron myself.

My Sigma Art and Contemporary glass has performed admirably. I'm a Canon guy too..... but not a fan of the R5 or 6. We all have our preferences.

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Waddizzle — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:48:18 GMT

"1. Horrible wifi connectivity problems

2. IBIS doesn't seem to work with any of my lenses (Tamron and Sigma, through an adapter)

3. Colors are horrible and photos lack contrast, creating a flat smeared sort of look that is really unpleasant."

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1. People often make the assumption that built-in Wi-Fi means "networkable", which is not exactly the case. I made that false assumption. You will find that othe camerar manufacturers are no different, if not worse. Use the Bluetooth.

2. AFAIK, 5-axis IBIS isn't supposed to work with the EF adapter. It enters a degraded 2-axis mode.

3. I agree with the others. If Adobe LR cannot get the colors correct, that's too bad. AFAIK, Adobe does not have profiles for specific cameras. Have you tried using the Adobe profile in the camera?

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shadowsports — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 22:31:48 GMT

But getting back on topic.

1. We've only heard of a few wi-fi connectivity issues with the R5/6 to date. Is your issue with any wi-fi network or just the one (in your home) probably the one you use most?

2. I think Wadizzle is right about this. (IBIS) I can't find anything conclusive,but reviewing your manual with a fine tooth comb might help. Canon has a tendency to document this stuff, if you look closely. This also goes back to @shawphoto's post regarding using the "Canon System" or like hardware. Its true Canon sells a system that when used together is unlikely to be surpassed from a compatibility, reliablity and consistent results standpoint.

3. DPP is a great tool. So is Lr. I like DxO which by the way has body and lens profiles for the R5/6 and Sigma and Tamron lenses. I'm not recommending that you switch. jrhoffman75 brought up a good point the other day about DxO. Its DAM does not have the same power as Lr, but significant improvements have been added the second half of last year in version 3.3 and now in v4 which was released last month. They have a 30 day trial, but if you want to buy DxO... this is the weekend to do it.

Its body and lens profiles were one of the reasons I chose it. DPP is fantastic, but only supports Canon. Lr perpetual is limited and you have to subsscribe to CC if you want support for newer body's and lenses. In DxO, they are just there, and they just keep coming.

I am not trying to pitch anyone on it. Merely pointing out the sale. This is the only time each year it's priced like this.

I would expect superior optical performance and great pictures from the R5/6. I am sorry to hear that yours has not met your expectations. Do as jrhoffman75 suggested and see what DPP can do for you. They wrote the file algorithims and their software will interpret it best, but you will need to go outside of DPP if you want support for lens profiles outside of Canon.

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jrhoffman75 — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:00:06 GMT

I support shadowsports recommendation to look into DxO, especially at this price.

I have been a Lightroom user since the public beta came. It does what I want and I am happy with the results. There is no way I can say it is the best product out there since I have never done a full comparison..

There are tools that do some things better; I use them in conjunction with Lr.

DPP lens profile corrections with DLO are superior. For later model cameras using the .CR3 camera file format Lr does not have camera profile capability, just Adobe profiles. (There is some sort of battle going on between Adobe and Canon. The only .CR3 file format camera that has camera profiles is the EOS R since it uses the same sensor as the .CR2 file format 5D Mark IV.) As stated, a company called ColorFidelity does offer camera proiles that can be added to Lr. It is possible to do RAW conversion in DPP using the cCanon Picture Styles and DLO and send a TIFF to LR for further editing.

DxO lens profiles correctios are also superior to Lr, and the new DeepPrime noise reduction is very powerful. DxO has a Lr plugin that allows sending a RAW file from Lr to DxO. Lens profile corrections and noise reduction can be performed in DxO and then a TIFF or DNG file sent back to Lr for further processing.

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Waddizzle — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:37:25 GMT

@shadowsports wrote:
But getting back on topic.

2. I think Wadizzle is right about this. (IBIS) I can't find anything conclusive,but reviewing your manual with a fine tooth comb might help. Canon has a tendency to document this stuff, if you look closely. This also goes back to @shawphoto's post regarding using the "Canon System" or like hardware. Its true Canon sells a system that when used together is unlikely to be surpassed from a compatibility, reliablity and consistent results standpoint.

This image is from the Canon USA online store.

"The 5-axis in-body image stabilization can effectively compensate for camera shake with approximately 8 stops of stabilization* with use of certain non-stabilized, and optically image stabilized lenses"

It is not clearly defined which "certain" lenses they are talking about. What is clear is that it does not work with all lenses. Judging from the complaints from users about the IBIS menu option not appearing with some lenses, all of which use the EF/RF adapter, leads me to my conclusion.

That, and a Rudy Winston's video clip that I can no longer find, going back to when the camera was first released. He had pointed that IBIS enters a degraded mode with EF lenses using the adapter. Maybe that has been corrected with a firmware update, or maybe it has not. It would not surprise me to learn that IBIS is unavailable to 3rd party EF mount lenses.

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johninbigd — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:07:18 GMT

I got the camera profiles for the R6 from colorfidelity and they're definitely an improvement, but still not great. A couple of the profiles look super weird, like having too much red in the highlight and midtones and then too much green in the shadows, and there is a distinct line between them with no transition. But the neutral and fine detail profiles look okay-ish. Nothing close to what I get from my R, though.

I'll check out DxO. I assume you mean DxO Photo Lab? I see it's on sale right now at an awesome price. If that's what you mean, I'll grab the trial and check it out.

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johninbigd — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:09:15 GMT

That's certainly fair. I've never used the Sigma 85mm Art. But you might want to take a look on Flickr and search for images shot with with the 105mm f/1.4 and the 135 f/1.8. They are superb. The only time I've gotten a lack of contrast is with the 105 when I'm outdoors and forget the lens hood.

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Canonoli — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:28:19 GMT

Actually, Adobe has no profiles for the Canon Eos R5 or R6
If you read a bit, on the Canon Eos R they new that the sensor was the same as the 5D IV so the used that profile for the EOS R.

To get those nice rich tones and color back you need to purchase the profiles from ColorFidelity.com they are $15 and the color will be like it was before. Canon does not supply Adobe with profiles and profiles need to be created.

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johninbigd — Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:53:09 GMT

I'm playing around with DxO Photo Lab now. It looks really good! The SOOC image looks super weird, like oddball colors and blacks way to dark. But with some adjustments, the result looks pretty great. Far better than what I was getting from Lr. Now if I can figure out how to jump out of this to do retouching in Photoshop and then back to DxO to finalize, that would be awesome.

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shadowsports — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:13:49 GMT

Greetings,

What about this?

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Canonoli — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:42:45 GMT

What about it?

From someone coming from a pro body the 1Dx Mark II, I think that the R5 is a great camera.

If you want to see the images with better skin tones than I suggest you look into purchasing the profile I suggested above.

But go ahead and try as many trial programs as you can, or you can create your own profiles if your good enought to understand the process. 🙂

And you can always use the software that Canon supplies, if you don't like the results of other software.

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johninbigd — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:31:49 GMT

@Canonoli wrote:
What about it?

From someone coming from a pro body the 1Dx Mark II, I think that the R5 is a great camera.

If you want to see the images with better skin tones than I suggest you look into purchasing the profile I suggested above.

But go ahead and try as many trial programs as you can, or you can create your own profiles if your good enought to understand the process. 🙂

And you can always use the software that Canon supplies, if you don't like the results of other software.

As I mentioned, I did try the colorfidelity profiles and they weren't very good. The neutral and fine detail profiles were okay, but the other three had obvious problems and were not usable. That is why I'm trying DxO Photolab, since it already supports the R5 and R6 and, so far, has clearly better skin tones. However, I think I'll give the colorfidelity profiles another shot because Photolab is not really good for portraits. It would be fantastic for landscape photographers, though, which seems to be what they've designed their product for. I shoot almost entirely portraits, so I need good skin tones.

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Waddizzle — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 21:58:41 GMT

@johninbigd wrote:
@Canonoli wrote:
What about it?

From someone coming from a pro body the 1Dx Mark II, I think that the R5 is a great camera.

If you want to see the images with better skin tones than I suggest you look into purchasing the profile I suggested above.

But go ahead and try as many trial programs as you can, or you can create your own profiles if your good enought to understand the process. 🙂

And you can always use the software that Canon supplies, if you don't like the results of other software.

As I mentioned, I did try the colorfidelity profiles and they weren't very good. The neutral and fine detail profiles were okay, but the other three had obvious problems and were not usable. That is why I'm trying DxO Photolab, since it already supports the R5 and R6 and, so far, has clearly better skin tones. However, I think I'll give the colorfidelity profiles another shot because Photolab is not really good for portraits. It would be fantastic for landscape photographers, though, which seems to be what they've designed their product for. I shoot almost entirely portraits, so I need good skin tones.

You can build your own color profiles with an X-Rite ColorChecker. It's automated. Just take a photo of the color chart. It's just like doing AFMA on a lens. Now, you're calibrating your image sensor against a standard color chart.

All of my cameras have nearly identical colors at ISO 100. As ISO increases you can begin to see very small diffrences, but most of the differences are noise, not color saturation or contrast.

can select a camera profile. Instead of "Adobe Standard" or some other Adobe profile, I see the name of my camera and select that. In fact, it gets automaticlly selected when the RAW files are imported.

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shawnphoto — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 22:07:08 GMT

Do you have Photolab 3 or 4? Photolab 4 seems massively improved over v3. Although I have to admit I bought 3 when it came out and gave up on it quickly, too slow and Deep Prime was worse not better. v4 runs faster and produces results very close to what DPP does.