topic Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

47greyfox — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:51:34 GMT

This is my dilemma and I'll acknowledge that it may not be a smart use of my wallet. I have a perfectly fine 6d2 with battery grip that I bought about two years ago. I also have a 7d2 with a good selection of lenses for both. I recently came across a really attractive price for a 5d4 with less than 10k clicks that includes a couple batteries and a Pixel battery grip. The move, assuming I can sell the 6d2 for a decent shouldn't cost more than $650-$700. My only issues with the 6d2 are with burst rate (not much diff than 5d4) and AF accuracy and speed. Would this move make sense? I need a dose of realism.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

Waddizzle — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:54:01 GMT

For me, personally? Going from a 6D2 to a 5D4 would not make sense. I like the Bluetooth functionality in the 6D2, which the 5D4 lacks. In fact, I picked the 6D2 over the 5D4 because of the Bluetooth.

Your needs and mileage my vary from mine. I have found that the 6D2 can hold its' ground for shooting sports and wildlife.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

shadowsports — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 21:52:37 GMT

@47greyfox,
I got my 6D2 a few months after its release. Just over 3 yrs ago. I love it.

Last year after saying I'd never... I almost bought a 5D4. This year I find myself in the same boat and even considered the R, another "I'd never" purchase.

We are not getting a 5D5 which is something I really wanted and would have paid for. The 1DX3 is a marvell but too big for my shooting preference (everyday use).

I'll buy refurb, but probably wouldn't buy used. Thats a matter if personal preference. I really like my 6D2, and although the 5D4 is a smidge better in ISO, AF and IQ, my 6D2 like Wadizzle points out performs extremely well. I was on the fence 3 yrs ago. Coming from APS-C to FF.... the articulating screen was finally what persuaded me and I'm very happy with my choice.

If you were coming from anything else, I might say buy the used 5D4. Since you aren't, I'd say don't do it. If you really want to upgrade, then buy an R and a Control Ring. You're going to need some batteries too. After you get over its battery life and that funky touchbar, I think it could grow on you. Better investment either way. New Year sale is coming.

Let's get back on track. What about your 6D2 don't you like? What is a 5D4 going to give you that its not? The differences in DR between the two is slim. 45 to 61 AF points. Small bump in vid performance. 4MP difference in image size and dual slots. Differences in FPS is .5 and focus wise, if you are using Canon glass is also going to be hard to notice if at all.

The 5D4 is turing 5 next year. Does it still have years of longivity left, absolutlely. Its been the industry standard for pro photography since its release. However, buying one now when Canon is poised to deliver many new bodies next year might not give the best ROI.

Go hold a 5D4 and R. Think about what that 5D4 is really going to give you over the 6D2 you own now.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

rs-eos — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:42:58 GMT

It may if you'll take advantage of certain things.

I had the original 6D and ultimately chose to upgrade to the 5D IV instead of the 6D II. Here were the main reasons which drove my decision:

1/200 s flash sync speed vs 1/180 s
1/8000 shutter option
Better AF system to include more points (61 vs 45).
100% viewfinder coverage (vs I think 98%?; small I know but I found it very annoying to not have 100% coverage)
Dual card slots
Better weather sealing

So I would recommend coming up with a list of those features on your 6D II that you'd like to improve upon and see if the list is large enough to justify the cost.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

Waddizzle — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:48:10 GMT

@rs-eos wrote:
It may if you'll take advantage of certain things.

I had the original 6D and ultimately chose to upgrade to the 5D IV instead of the 6D II. Here were the main reasons which drove my decision:

1/200 s flash sync speed vs 1/180 s
1/8000 shutter option
Better AF system to include more points (61 vs 45).
100% viewfinder coverage (vs I think 98%?; small I know but I found it very annoying to not have 100% coverage)
Dual card slots
Better weather sealing
So I would recommend coming up with a list of those features on your 6D II that you'd like to improve upon and see if the list is large enough to justify the cost.

Whether or not the 5D4 has a better AF system depends upon one's needs and point of view, I suppose.

The 5D4 has 61 AF points, of which 41 are cross type, and 13 have f/8 functionality.

The 6D2 has 45 AF points, of which 45 are cross type, and 27 have f/8 functionality.

There are pros and cons for both bodies. But, I don't think the AF system in the 5D4 is the "better AF system". Like I said, the 6D2 can hold its' own quite well shooting sports and wildlife.

It is really a matter of each individual's needs. For me it was a toss up, with Bluetooth being the deciding factor. Having the internal GPS and Wi-Fi is handy, too.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

ebiggs1 — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:13:34 GMT

" Would this move make sense?"

I would do it in a heartbeat. No matter what other features either camera has the 5 series is far better build than the prosummer 6 series. The 6's have always been Canon's entry level to a FF camera. Yeah, it got better with the Mk II, it needed too, but you are still in the lower class of camera. The 5 series is as close as you can come to a full on pro series camera. I don't care or use bluetooth so that is out right from the start for me. You can sight all the specs you want but a 6 series will never be a 5 series. After all, a Rebel T8i has all the bells and whistles doesn't it? The only down side I see is the 5D Mk IV is getting pretty old. Long in the tooth. If that is a concern to you, that pretty much answers your question.

"... and a Pixel battery grip."

That needs to go to the trash pile. Get a Canon grip with Canon batteries.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

SBK — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:17:28 GMT

@47greyfox

I was having the similar question. I have the the 6D2 and was thinking of getting the 5D Mark IV down the road.

From what i've read on this forum and elsewhere, the 5D4 is really well built for professional use. So that tells about its robustness.

However, when comparing prices as of this writing, both the 5D4 and R6 are sold new for $2500. So if you can wait, the price of the R6 will come down, and the used ones will be cheaper.

The advantages of the R6 over the 5D4 are many. But below are a few that are very attractive to me:

- in-body image stabilization (8 f-stops, with some RF lenses)

- mirrorless, so you can shoot without making any shutter noise

- compatible with both EF and RF lenses

- Free-Angle Tilting Touchscreen LCD

- RF lenses has the additional control ring

- dual slot SD cards using identical memory cards

The 5D4 has 30 MP advantage which is big if you plan to have large print. On my side, i don't think i would print much larger than 11x14, so 20MP is not too much of a problem.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

47greyfox — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:09:27 GMT

SBK -
I'm primarily a landscape shooter and nature when the opportunity presents itself, With landscape, detail is king, and often I have to crop for composition purposes. My concern, which has been voiced by a number of reviews online, is resolution loss as a result since I'm cropping into a 20gb sensor image. I experience the same issue when shooting with the 7d2 on the rare occasion that I'm out using that body for something other than action shots. The sensors are the same size +/- and even tho the R6 has a better sensor and reportedly improved DR and AF, I'm hesitant. Having said that.... yeah, the same thought has crossed my mind. Nothing is easy! 🙂

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

Waddizzle — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:32:42 GMT

@47greyfox wrote:
SBK -
I'm primarily a landscape shooter and nature when the opportunity presents itself, With landscape, detail is king, and often I have to crop for composition purposes. My concern, which has been voiced by a number of reviews online, is resolution loss as a result since I'm cropping into a 20gb sensor image. I experience the same issue when shooting with the 7d2 on the rare occasion that I'm out using that body for something other than action shots. The sensors are the same size +/- and even tho the R6 has a better sensor and reportedly improved DR and AF, I'm hesitant. Having said that.... yeah, the same thought has crossed my mind. Nothing is easy! 🙂

If you want high resolution landscape photos, then create a panoramic shot.

This shot is 38MP, and was captured with a 6D, using the EF 70-200mm f/2/8L IS II USM.. I think this is the right copy. It is from my previously uploaded images.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

47greyfox — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:53:05 GMT

Nice, Waddizzle! Did you shoot in portrait mode? Tripod or handheld?

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

Waddizzle — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 22:06:23 GMT

@47greyfox wrote:
Nice, Waddizzle! Did you shoot in portrait mode? Tripod or handheld?

I always shoot panos in portrait mode, and overlap by 1/3. Yes, I did use a tripod. All of the exposures were aboiut 8 seconds., I think. I used Av mode, ISO 100. and -1/3 Ev of compensation. Canon bodies seem to overexpose a bit, probably to capture more details in shadows.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

SBK — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 00:45:28 GMT

@47greyfox

I hear you about the resolution concern.

Therefore, how about 50.6 MP ? $1499 brand new, so used should be much less than that ?

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

wq9nsc — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 01:18:15 GMT

I primarily use 1DX bodies but I picked up a 5DS R. It is an interesting camera with the higher resolution but it "handles" a little differently because of that and one thing I noticed is motion blur becomes more evident with the higher resolution. You may find you need to use a higher shutter speed than you are used to for a given lens. It isn't a huge deal but it is something of which to be aware before you purchase.

The files from it are also very large. 55 to 65 MB RAW files are typical but it isn't unusual to see RAW files over 90 MB so be prepared in terms of storage and processing speed. Because of the huge file size, the burst speed and buffer depth is also reduced.

The prices are low because these cameras are basically out of production, nothing wrong with that because they still do an excellent job.

I was actually surprised how often I use this camera. It definitely doesn't have the low light performance of my 1DX bodies but I was surprised at its noise performance in the 3200 to 6400 ISO range and that improves further if you downsample to a more typical pixel count when you convert to JPG.

The 5DS and the R variant (slightly better potential resolution at the possible expense of artifacts that can be addressed in post due to the different lowpass filter setup) are basically built on the 5 D III architecture so they are a bit behind some of the function of the 5D 4 but I consider them a true bargain for general use, landscape, portrait use, etc.

Rodger

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

47greyfox — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 23:33:49 GMT

What about the EOS R as an alternative to the R6? The 30 MP sensor is inviting, but the fps options do leave a little to be desired, but I have the 7d2 for those kind of shots.

Re: Canon 6d2 to 5d4 upgrade

SBK — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 01:10:05 GMT

Or the RP (if you can live with 26.2MP) which currently is at $1000 vs $1800.