topic Re: 6d or 7d for action shots in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:24:12 GMT

I'm currently looking to purchase a new camera for a project I'm working on. I'll be shooting RC CARS that move fast. Which is better 6d or 7d and what's the best recommended lens. Thanks

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

cicopo — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 01:17:28 GMT

I haven't even touched a 6D so can't comment on it but I used a 7D for 2 full seasons shooting R/C flying events. You lens needs will be different than mine so just how close & how far out do you hope to cover? (The 7D AF did very well at R/C)

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

amfoto1 — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 03:46:05 GMT

Definitely the 7D for a lot of reasons....

Fast, accurate autofocus. More usable peripheral AF points. Up to 8 frames per second. Plus a crop camera gives "free telephoto effect".

Also less money, so you can put more into top performance lenses.

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Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 04:37:20 GMT

I think my range should be 3-15 yards from the action...some times from a higher view point

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

TCampbell — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 04:48:21 GMT

The 6D has a fairly basic focusing system. The 7D (and even the 70D) will be much faster. The lens you use will matter... a camera with a fast and accurate focusing system wont do much good if the lens has a slow focusing motor.

USM focusing motors are the fastest -- but even these have a few variations and performance varies by lens model.

A typical phase-detect AF point (generically -- not speaking about any specific camera) is a single axis sensor. It detects if something is mis-focused based on the alignment of the subject after running the light through a splitter which separates it into two halves or "phases". If the phases "align" then the object is focused. It turns out the orientation of the focus sensor axis matters and can be fooled if the subject has a linear pattern running in the same direction. Often times you may be shooting objects with a pattern of lines running in the same direction as the focus sensor axis and the sensor can be fooled into thinking things are focused when, in fact, they are not.

To solve this, some focus points may be 'cross type' -- which means the camera detects phase in two axes simultaneously.

On the 7D (and 70D), the cameras have 19 point AF systems and ALL 19 points are "cross type". On the 6D there is an 11 point AF system, and only the center point is "cross type". The 7D (and 70D) are both much better at dealing with "action" shots.

The 7D has a slightly better focus system than the 70D in that it's able to use expanded AF points and can also use more constrained 'spot focus'. When focusing subjects with low contrast (not much of a pattern to them), using expanded focus points can help. Spot focus is good when the focus point you want to use has lots of contrasty detail ... but you don't want to use the standard focus because the object is very near something which is at a different focused distance. For example... if I want to focus on your eyeball (eyes have lots of contrasty detail) but I want to make sure the camera doesn't mis-focus by locking on your eyebrow (which is a little bit closer than your eye), then I can use the more constrained "spot focus" mode. The 70D does not have those variant modes that the 7D includes.

The 6D is a "full frame" camera with considerably better low-light performance in that you can shoot at much higher ISO while still keeping noise low. The 7D doesn't do nearly as well in low light (it does ok... just not nearly as good as a 6D). But the 6D is not optimized for "action". The 5D III is optimized for both low light AND action. It doesn't have the fast continuous burst framerate of the 7D... but it has a much more sophisticated focus sytem (it basically has the focus system of the flagship 1D X with a few minor exceptions. The 5D III isn't *quite* as good, but close.

As for lens... you'll want a snappy focusing lens and given that RC cars tend to be on the small-ish side, you may want a 70-200mm. Ideally... an EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II would be hard to beat... but that is an expensive lens. The EF 70-200mm f/4L USM is a very good lens with a competitve price tag considering it's performance. There is also an image-stabilized variant of this lens. Most people will tend to think of image stabilization as a feature which helps you when the shutter speed is low -- and of course when shooting action the shutter speed will be high. One might conclude that IS isn't very useful in this sitatuion and just adds to the price tag. HOWEVER, it turns out that BEFORE you shoot the image, the camera needs to focus. It's hard to focus action when the camera is moving around. So it turns out... image stabilization actually helps the camera achive focus lock faster EVEN when shooting high-shutter speed action photography that doesn't otherwise benefit from image stabilization.

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:16:39 GMT

Thanks man, that was excellent info

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

ScottyP — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:53:01 GMT

I have a 6d and can say you want the 7d for sure. (IF pictures of these cars is the biggest thing for you).

As others stated, lenses are key. The varying distance suggests a zoom would work better than a prime. 70-200 is a good lens choice for high quality and probably for range, especially since a 7d has a crop sensor and multiplies the 200mm by a factor of 1.6x.

If you will be doing this outside in daylight you can save some weight and a whole lot of money by skipping the f/2.8 and going with a 70-200 f/4. The non-IS version is only $700.00. The IS version is almost twice as much at $1,300, and the f/2.8 IS version is about $2,000 (and is great), but your priorities and budget can decide which way to go.

See. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-70-200mm-f-4.0-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

And see. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Cameras/N/0/Ntt/CA702004LEF

Good luck!

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

cicopo — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:43:03 GMT

This is one instance where picking the right lens will be difficult. I don't think 70 mm will be wide enough on a crop body & it may not even be wide enough on a FF. That leaves either the 24-70 or 24-105 as good choices but you can't use the IS on the 24-105 when panning. You won't be able to frame these things tightly when they are close to you so think carefully about the lens & borrow if you can for a test on just how wide you'll need as a minimum.

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:35:54 GMT

So there will be 3 other situations where I will need the 7d

1. Shop pics of hobby stores and there employees. So basically group portraits.
2. Some video
3. Taking fairly close photos of products.

The 7d I purchased came with is 28-155 and 50mm I also purchased the
Ef 70-200 mm f/4l usm. Got it for 400 !! I also have a vivatar wide angle lens .43x 58mm

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:37:00 GMT

I also purchased a cam ranger which looks awsome! I have about 1000 left in budget

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

ScottyP — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:56:41 GMT

Ok. You are more set up than it seemed. You have a wide aperture fast prime (the 50) and you have the extended range multipurpose zoom (28-155). You also have the 70-200 f/4 on a good price too.

The 50 would do the product shots.

I think you should get some lighting. Off-camera speedlites would be good for the group photos and the product shots. You may know that shooting with the flash hitting the subject at an angle (not on the same axis as the camera) really makes it look better. You can trigger them optically but radio triggers are better. Either a couple of Canon 600's, or a couple of the new Phottix Mitros+ (plus) flashes would do well. You can also go with Yongnuo flashes and save a lot of money and get 3 or 4 instead of 2 for the money. Throw in a couple of light stands and shoot through umbrellas and you are good to go.

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:32:28 GMT

Thanks I'll look into it now

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:41:32 GMT

How is the Ef 70-300mm f/4-5.6 is usm for action photo's

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

TCampbell — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:10:31 GMT

For product photography, you may be interested in whatching some of the videos by Jim Talkington (ProPhotoLife's YouTube page).

https://www.youtube.com/user/prophotolife/videos

I would watch episodes, 1, 2, 4, 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 17, and 18 (those are episodes that specifically deal with product photography.)

While he really does use pro gear, he shows you how to make some essentials using equipment you can pick up at a hardware store and craft store for just a few bucks.

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

cicopo — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:13:43 GMT

The 70-300 L IS gets very good reviews for sports, action & aviation. The regular IS version however doesn't seem to have a fast AF. If I didn't have 300 mm covered by 3 other lenses I'd own the L

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:45:21 GMT

Would this work? How do u set them up off camera

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:49:35 GMT

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Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:19:11 GMT

Love these video's

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

ScottyP — Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:25:35 GMT

BUMPING.

Can anyone help the OP with his Yongnuo triggers and flashes question? I think he'd want more than the manual 602 type triggers? Is that the 622? And which yongnuo flash units would work? I think he'd want a TTL flash, if he can afford them?

Re: 6d or 7d for action shots

Rcspecops — Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:00:23 GMT

Thanks yeah I could really use the model information on those flashes ! Thanks