topic Re: Hazy whites 80D in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Thu, 28 May 2020 04:10:07 GMT

I just got an 80D, to use as a backup to a 70D, or vice versa.

When shooting interiors on sunny days all the white light coming in from the windows looks blurry and hazy.

I've had do go EV -3 or even -4 to get decent non hazy whites, but then everything is too dark, and when you edit it on Lightroom, there's noise all over the place.

Veri frustrating.

Is this a known issue?

Am I missing somehting?

Thanks guys

Re: Hazy whites 80D

Peter — Thu, 28 May 2020 04:33:24 GMT

Raw samples?

Re: Hazy whites 80D

Tronhard — Thu, 28 May 2020 06:29:58 GMT

Not only would it help to have samples, but also the EXIF data and what your metering was set to - spot, centre-weighted etc.

What would be particularly helpful is to have comparitive photos taken by the 70d and the 80d using the same lens and same settings - of the same subject.

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Thu, 28 May 2020 14:53:05 GMT

Thanks. I'm away from my camera and laptop but will do soon

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Thu, 28 May 2020 14:54:28 GMT

Thanks. I'm away from my laptop and my 70d is in for cleaning. But I'll publish some examples soon

Re: Hazy whites 80D

ebiggs1 — Thu, 28 May 2020 18:04:03 GMT

"I've had do go EV -3 or even -4 to get decent non hazy whites, but then everything is too dark, and when you edit it on Lightroom, there's noise all over the place."

I am going to say that is a reasonable reaction to be expected. But we needs untouched samples as asked for.

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Fri, 29 May 2020 02:24:39 GMT

This board is not allowing me to import the raw originals, jpeg only. I've added the raws to this Dropbox folder:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nqimnzcu5bi31da/AAApwKRnfEI4sXseV9INQaH-a?dl=0

If you can't see the metadata (usually you can't on Dropbox), it's below.

All aperture priority, all partial metering.

Also, I've tried all sorts of editing on Lightroom, but nothing came close to fixing this.

IMG_110

ISO 250 - 10 mm - f/11 - 1/5 sec

IMG_116

ISO 200 - 13 mm - f/11 - 1/40 sec

IMG_126

ISO 200 - 10 mm - f/11 - 1/6 sec

IMG_183

ISO 160 - 14 mm - f/1 - 0.3 sec

IMG_192

iso 160 - 11 mm - f/11 - 1/5 sec

IMG_194

ISO 160 - 11 mm - f/11 - 1/30 sec

Re: Hazy whites 80D

Peter — Fri, 29 May 2020 11:54:51 GMT

@lcribas58 wrote:
This board is not allowing me to import the raw originals, jpeg only. I've added the raws to this Dropbox folder:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nqimnzcu5bi31da/AAApwKRnfEI4sXseV9INQaH-a?dl=0

If you can't see the metadata (usually you can't on Dropbox), it's below.
All aperture priority, all partial metering.
Also, I've tried all sorts of editing on Lightroom, but nothing came close to fixing this.

IMG_110
ISO 250 - 10 mm - f/11 - 1/5 sec

IMG_116
ISO 200 - 13 mm - f/11 - 1/40 sec

IMG_126
ISO 200 - 10 mm - f/11 - 1/6 sec

IMG_183
ISO 160 - 14 mm - f/1 - 0.3 sec

IMG_192
iso 160 - 11 mm - f/11 - 1/5 sec

IMG_194
ISO 160 - 11 mm - f/11 - 1/30 sec

It is due to dynamic range. Nothing wrong with the camera.

1. Use speedlites to light up the dark room.
2. Create a High dynamic range (HDR) image. 80D has multi exposure feature. You can multi expose and merge in camera (average). You will get a CR2 file that is almost like a raw file.

Below you have 0126, 0192 and 0194. I have used Hraw to visualize the sensor clipping in the highlights.
White means all channels are clipped. Green means green channel, blue means blue channel and red means red channel. Cyan means green and blue. Yellow means green and red.
When all channels are clipped (white) you will not be able to recover anything. If one or two channels are clipped you may be able to reconstruced some details in the highlights.

In my opinion, 0194 is better exposed than 0192 is due to the highlights. Yes, you have more noise in the shadows in 0194 but nothing that bothers. If you merge (HDR) 0192+0194, you will have less noise in the shadows (the TV) and you will still have less highlights clipped in the window.

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Fri, 29 May 2020 14:10:57 GMT

Thank you. I will try this.

(tried HDR merge in Lightroom and results weren't great, let's see if this HDR will work better)

I will also change the metering, in case "partial" was aggravating the issue

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Fri, 29 May 2020 14:12:36 GMT

Also, all shots were taken with not one but two Speedlites (430 slave to 600)

Re: Hazy whites 80D

ebiggs1 — Fri, 29 May 2020 14:35:03 GMT

Yes, I agree this is all either camera settings wrong or insufficient DR. There are limits to what a DSLR can capture. You have exceeded this.

"...all shots were taken with not one but two Speedlites..."

Careful selection and critical placement of flash is mandatory. It is possible this hurt more than helped. If I were to try that shot of the bedroom, I would try to use HDR.

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Fri, 29 May 2020 14:26:52 GMT

Thanks

Re: Hazy whites 80D

ebiggs1 — Fri, 29 May 2020 14:28:46 GMT

"...tried HDR merge in Lightroom and results weren't great,..."

Did you try handholding the camera for the HDR shot? You know HDR can not have any movement between the three shots?

Try it on a tripod.

As to grain or noise, when you do extreme adjustments in LR, you are in a sense doing the same thing as upping the ISO. Grain and/or noise will result.

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Fri, 29 May 2020 14:46:39 GMT

Always use tripod, including for the 430 speedlite that I move around, sometimes to the next room.

Also use remote to take the shot.

I've been doing real estate photos with 70d for awhile and never with this results. That's why I'm so baffled

Re: Hazy whites 80D

lcribas58 — Wed, 24 Jun 2020 00:58:11 GMT

Hi everyone.

I want to thank you for your input and suggestions.

After trying a lot of different stuff, I had a couple of conbversation with Canon and they were baffled too.

Camera was sent in (took the exact same shots with the exact same settings with both the 80 and the 70 and sent it in with the camera), and hopefully they'll figure it out.

Thanks all.

Luis