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Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month now.

cristomike2 — Fri, 08 May 2020 07:28:13 GMT

So as the title says, i've had the Canon EOS RP for little under a month now. I was lucky to punch in at around 1650 USD for the body + the 24-105 Kit Lens (which is amazing).

Now, i dont have time, to wait for another Pro body, that might come or not come by the end of this or start of next year. I've been giving the opportunity to upgrade to the Canon EOS R for roughly 500 USD more (with the Lens kit) and i'm there for looking for advices to wether i should do it or not.

Just throwing some informations out there:

- I'll primarily be using the camera in a photostudio setup, taking pictures of colorfull objects.- Not planning to shoot in extreme situations, where i'll have to crank up the ISO to achieve a good exposure.- The reason i might consider the upgrade is, because i'd like to make it my primary camera for the next period of 3-5 years at the very least.

The talk about the Dynamic range on the EOS RP vs the R is also something that i getting and making me think the upgrade for 500 USD is justifiable, specially if i'm planing to use it for atleast 3-5 years. What do you think?

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

shadowsports — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:39:48 GMT

Greetings,
I'm not a fan of either body, so I can't get excited about owning one of them. There are two types of people now. Ones that are OK with Canon's first and second gen mirrorless and one's who aren't.

If the RP is meeting your needs, keep it. You have already stated you won't shoot in "extreme" conditions. If I was going to "lock" myself in on a platform for the next 3-5 yrs.. it wouldn't be with a R or RP.

The R5 will get announced shortly and although it is months away from release (not end of the year), I wouldn't buy a first or second gen R or RP in the first place. A refurb RP is $810 right now. In two months people are going to have a hard time giving them away. Both are destined to become modest, affordable entry level mirrorless body's. They already are now.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:58:31 GMT

i think moving up to the EOS R would be a good move. The EOS R has a larger battery. The EOS R has a Canon battery grip, as well as an AC Power adapter option available. The EOS RP has no battery grip or AC Power adapter option from Canon. If you will be using the camera primarily in a static studio scenario, then you should give these power issues a closer look.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

ebiggs1 — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:37:51 GMT

"I'm not a fan of either body, so I can't get excited about owning one of them. ... If the RP is meeting your needs, keep it. ... If I was going to "lock" myself in on a platform for the next 3-5 yrs.. it wouldn't be with a R or RP.

The R5 will get announced shortly ... I wouldn't buy a first or second gen R or RP in the first place. ...

~Rick"

I had to repost that quote because it is what I would have said.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:53:15 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"I'm not a fan of either body, so I can't get excited about owning one of them. ... If the RP is meeting your needs, keep it. ... If I was going to "lock" myself in on a platform for the next 3-5 yrs.. it wouldn't be with a R or RP.

The R5 will get announced shortly ... I wouldn't buy a first or second gen R or RP in the first place. ...
~Rick"

I had to repost that quote because it is what I would have said.

Meanwhile, what do you do with the EOS RP that you just purchased?

Coming from you, I find that comment somewhat surprising. Who knows when the EOS R5 will actually be released. You have always advocated having a camera today is better than waiting on a new camera that will be released some day.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

shadowsports — Fri, 08 May 2020 15:27:37 GMT

Thats just it... he's got a camera. (Mirrorless to boot). My feeling is this is throwing good money after bad. But you can look at it both ways.

Neither body has what I consider good or even decent battery life. (but R does have a bigger batt for sure)

I wouldn't spend $500 on a R. Maybe he has the option to trade up? Not sure, but if not, now you are stuck with 2 so-so mirrorless bodies.

Prices are going to drop sooner rather than later. While I believe the R6 release might be delayed, I think Canon has gone all in on the R5. I believe B&H and Canon will both have it in July.. limited quantities aside, but it will be shipping.

And then people who opted for the RP are going to > R and (some) people who bought R's will dump them for R5's.

Manufacturing in Malaysia and Taiwan were down, but have resumed about 80% production. Speed bump.

You can always sell your used stuff and upgrade. If he wants an R so badly, then get it...

But that would not be me.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

ebiggs1 — Fri, 08 May 2020 16:26:02 GMT

^^^^ what Rick said ^^^

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Fri, 08 May 2020 17:05:10 GMT

@shadowsports wrote:
Thats just it... he's got a camera. (Mirrorless to boot). My feeling is this is throwing good money after bad. But you can look at it both ways.

Neither body has what I consider good or even decent battery life. (but R does have a bigger batt for sure)
I wouldn't spend $500 on a R. Maybe he has the option to trade up? Not sure, but if not, now you are stuck with 2 so-so mirrorless bodies.

Prices are going to drop sooner rather than later. While I believe the R6 release might be delayed, I think Canon has gone all in on the R5. I believe B&H and Canon will both have it in July.. limited quantities aside, but it will be shipping.

And then people who opted for the RP are going to > R and (some) people who bought R's will dump them for R5's.

Manufacturing in Malaysia and Taiwan were down, but have resumed about 80% production. Speed bump.

You can always sell your used stuff and upgrade. If he wants an R so badly, then get it...

But that would not be me.

He made it clear that the R would be an upgrade. Following your advice, he would own two bodies, both an RP and an R5, instead of just the R.

[EDIT] Battery life is the biggest problem with mirrorless bodies. Somehow, I doubt if the battery life issues will be solved by the R5.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Fri, 08 May 2020 17:08:26 GMT

"I've been giving the opportunity to upgrade to the Canon EOS R for roughly 500 USD more (with the Lens kit) and i'm there for looking for advices to wether i should do it or not."

I do not think my colleagues understood your post. I say go for the EOS R, and add the AC Adapter.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

RobertTheFat — Fri, 08 May 2020 22:24:02 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
"I'm not a fan of either body, so I can't get excited about owning one of them. ... If the RP is meeting your needs, keep it. ... If I was going to "lock" myself in on a platform for the next 3-5 yrs.. it wouldn't be with a R or RP.

The R5 will get announced shortly ... I wouldn't buy a first or second gen R or RP in the first place. ...
~Rick"

I had to repost that quote because it is what I would have said.

Me too. In fact, I had said it, but not as well, and then deleted it.

Wait for the R5, then decide whether it's worth the money. If it isn't, grab an R at a lower price or wait for the R6. (I suppose it's even possible that the R5 and R6 will come out simultaneously.)

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

John_SD — Sat, 09 May 2020 16:26:17 GMT

If it were me, I'd hang on the the RP for now and make do with it. I would not sink any money into the R, with its much maligned touch bar, that Canon to its credit has abandoned. I don't expect we'll ever see it on another Canon camera. The R5 and R6 are on the horizon. Wait for one of those before making a final decision.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 May 2020 17:18:39 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
If it were me, I'd hang on the the RP for now and make do with it. I would not sink any money into the R, with its much maligned touch bar, that Canon to its credit has abandoned. I don't expect we'll ever see it on another Canon camera. The R5 and R6 are on the horizon. Wait for one of those before making a final decision.

And, when the R5 or R6 cameras are eventually released, do you think the OP should upgrade to one of those bodies? If so, why should the OP upgrade to either one of them? If the OP decided to upgrade, then what happens to the EOS RP?

I do not think the RP can fully meet the needs of the OP's use case, primarily because of the smaller battery.

The OP would be wise to keep several spare batteries on hand. These would need to be fully charged, of course. How long do you think it would take to recharge 3-4 batteries? It would take at least 3-4 hours. Charging batteries for the next day's shooting session is a task that would need to be performed on a daily basis, which would be rather awkward.

"I'll primarily be using the camera in a photostudio setup, taking pictures of colorfull objects"

I find the Touch Bar to be a non-issue. I get the impression that most shooting will be from a tripod.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

John_SD — Sat, 09 May 2020 17:53:44 GMT

@Waddizzle wrote:
@John_SD wrote:
If it were me, I'd hang on the the RP for now and make do with it. I would not sink any money into the R, with its much maligned touch bar, that Canon to its credit has abandoned. I don't expect we'll ever see it on another Canon camera. The R5 and R6 are on the horizon. Wait for one of those before making a final decision.
And, when the R5 or R6 cameras are eventually released, do you think the OP should upgrade to one of those bodies? If so, why should the OP upgrade to either one of them? If the OP decided to upgrade, then what happens to the EOS RP?

I do not think the RP can fully meet the needs of the OP's use case, primarily because of the smaller battery.

The OP would be wise to keep several spare batteries on hand. These would need to be fully charged, of course. How long do you think it would take to recharge 3-4 batteries? It would take at least 3-4 hours. Charging batteries for the next day's shooting session is a task that would need to be performed on a daily basis, which would be rather awkward.

"I'll primarily be using the camera in a photostudio setup, taking pictures of colorfull objects"

I find the Touch Bar to be a non-issue. I get the impression that most shooting will be from a tripod.

Honestly, with the R5/R6 on the horizon, I wouldn't advise anyone to purchase an R now. That camera may have its fans, but seems to have many more detractors. The touch bar is a disaster, which is why you'll never see it on a Canon camera again.

So my advice stands. Stick with the RP for now, and wait for the R5 or R6, then evaluate. if he is dead set on an R, he should still wait for the R5/R6 as the old R will likely be sold at a very nice discount. It would be a shame for him to upgrade to the R now, only to regret it come later in the year.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 May 2020 18:17:29 GMT

@John_SD wrote:
@Waddizzle wrote:
@John_SD wrote:
If it were me, I'd hang on the the RP for now and make do with it. I would not sink any money into the R, with its much maligned touch bar, that Canon to its credit has abandoned. I don't expect we'll ever see it on another Canon camera. The R5 and R6 are on the horizon. Wait for one of those before making a final decision.
And, when the R5 or R6 cameras are eventually released, do you think the OP should upgrade to one of those bodies? If so, why should the OP upgrade to either one of them? If the OP decided to upgrade, then what happens to the EOS RP?

I do not think the RP can fully meet the needs of the OP's use case, primarily because of the smaller battery.

The OP would be wise to keep several spare batteries on hand. These would need to be fully charged, of course. How long do you think it would take to recharge 3-4 batteries? It would take at least 3-4 hours. Charging batteries for the next day's shooting session is a task that would need to be performed on a daily basis, which would be rather awkward.

"I'll primarily be using the camera in a photostudio setup, taking pictures of colorfull objects"

I find the Touch Bar to be a non-issue. I get the impression that most shooting will be from a tripod.
Honestly, with the R5/R6 on the horizon, I wouldn't advise anyone to purchase an R now. That camera may have its fans, but seems to have many more detractors. The touch bar is a disaster, which is why you'll never see it on a Canon camera again.

So my advice stands. Stick with the RP for now, and wait for the R5 or R6, then evaluate. if he is dead set on an R, he should still wait for the R5/R6 as the old R will likely be sold at a very nice discount. It would be a shame for him to upgrade to the R now, only to regret it come later in the year.

I do not think you fully understood the OP's question, either.

The Touch Bar might be a disaster in your opinion, but it becomes a moot point with the camera mounted on a tripod. I would still like to know what advantage an R5 or R6 would offer over the RP, which the R cannot provide.

BTW, you do realize that you're arguing for the OP to own two cameras, or be forced to sell off the RP. How much would that cost over the long haul? I think it would cost significant more than the $500 upgrade being offered right now for an EOS R.

What about the inconvenience of having to recharge at least 3-4 batteries every night? If I had to charge that many batteries every night, I would want to have extra chargers on hand, for an additional added cost. How much would the extra batteries chargers cost compared to he cost of AC adapter for the EOS R?

To me, this is a no-brainer. Go for the upgrade to the EOS R, and pick up an AC Adapter.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Sat, 09 May 2020 20:03:48 GMT

Okay, as it turns out the EOS RP does have a AC Adpater option from Canon. You need the ACK-E18 AC Adapter and the DR-E18 Coupler kit. You can buy them separately or as a kit.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1274811-REG/canon_0073c002_ac_e6n_ac_adapter_and.html/qa

Buying this AC Adapter kit would be a far less costly option than upgrading to the R, R5, R6, or another future R body for that matter. The kit is not listed to work with the RP, although a B&H expert says it does. You would need the cutout in the battery door for the cable to exist the battery compartment.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Davoud — Sun, 10 May 2020 01:27:47 GMT

In my view the RP has better ergonomics than the R, and the image quality is as good as the R (or practically any other digital camera). I had use of an R for a week before I decided to buy the RP. I see no deficits in the RP dynamic range, and colors are excellent. You understand it's not for action sports, of course. I have found it to be rugged enough for field nature photography. But why can't you wait to see what the R5 will be like?

Below: EOS RP with EF 100mm ƒ2.8 macro lens.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Sun, 10 May 2020 14:47:36 GMT

@Davoud wrote:
In my view the RP has better ergonomics than the R, and the image quality is as good as the R (or practically any other digital camera). I had use of an R for a week before I decided to buy the RP. I see no deficits in the RP dynamic range, and colors are excellent. You understand it's not for action sports, of course. I have found it to be rugged enough for field nature photography. But why can't you wait to see what the R5 will be like?

Below: EOS RP with EF 100mm ƒ2.8 macro lens.

I do not think you fully understood the OP's question, either.

Why, not? Because the offer on the table is to upgrade to an EOS R now. That is the issue. The question being asked is whether or not accepting the upgrade to an EOS R is a good idea.

I thought it was a good idea because the RP did not seem to have AC Adapter, which could mean needing to have several spare batteries on hand every day. Buying several batteries and chargers is a significant cost, and recharging them every night is a hassle that would become a nuisance within a week.

However, I have found that there is a Canon AC Adapter kit that works with the EOS RP.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Davoud — Sun, 10 May 2020 15:56:37 GMT

@ Waddizzle I do not think you fully understood the OP's question, either.

Why, not? Because the offer on the table is to upgrade to an EOS R now. That is the issue. The question being asked is whether or not accepting the upgrade to an EOS R is a good idea.

*****

I thought that I addressed the question in giving my opinion that the RP is as good a camera as the R, the implication being that to "upgrade" to the R @ $500 is not a bargain. Further, I believe that asking why the OP can't wait for the R5 was a reasonalble one. Remember, it's all opinion!

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

ebiggs1 — Sun, 10 May 2020 16:06:30 GMT

"Remember, it's all opinion!"

An better than buying an AC adapter.

Re: Advice choosing between Canon EOS R or RP - Been playing with the EOS for little under a month n

Waddizzle — Sun, 10 May 2020 18:05:47 GMT

@Davoud wrote:
@ Waddizzle I do not think you fully understood the OP's question, either.

Why, not? Because the offer on the table is to upgrade to an EOS R now. That is the issue. The question being asked is whether or not accepting the upgrade to an EOS R is a good idea.

*****

I thought that I addressed the question in giving my opinion that the RP is as good a camera as the R, the implication being that to "upgrade" to the R @ $500 is not a bargain. Further, I believe that asking why the OP can't wait for the R5 was a reasonalble one. Remember, it's all opinion!

"In my view the RP has better ergonomics than the R, and the image quality is as good as the R (or practically any other digital camera). I had use of an R for a week before I decided to buy the RP. I see no deficits in the RP dynamic range, and colors are excellent. You understand it's not for action sports, of course. I have found it to be rugged enough for field nature photography. But why can't you wait to see what the R5 will be like?"

No, you did not address the question directly. Your advice was to wait for a better camera to come along, and considering upgrading to that. You cast another vote for buying two cameras. ??? "You have spoken."