topic Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8 in EOS DSLR & Mirrorless Cameras

CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

Jimbak — Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:22:55 GMT

Hi i have Canon EOS 600d/T3i and i want to buy Canon 50mm f/1,8 STM will the len fits in my camera or not?

And the len have manual focus in video?

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Sat, 13 Jun 2015 23:28:53 GMT

Any Canon lens with the letters 'EF' or 'EF-S' in its name will work with your camera. As far as I know they all have MF. I have not tried every single one but all the ones (and there has been many) have MF.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 00:08:00 GMT

The 50mm STM lens does have an AF/MF switch, but the STM motor has some unique characteristics. The following cautions/instructions apply to all STM lenses. Ignore the zooming items for fixed focal length lenses.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

RobertTheFat — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 00:47:39 GMT

Responding to John's post of the STM lens instruction sheet ...

1) I think I'm glad I read that before I bought any STM lenses.

2) The list of applicable cameras includes no FF bodies. That would seem to imply that there are no EF STM lenses. However, that's not true; there are a few listed on Canon's Web site. Does an STM lens behave differently on a FF camera?

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 01:00:14 GMT

Material I posted was from a T5i manual since they supply STM kit lens with Rebels.

The behavior is the same on an EF mount with the 50mm, which I have. I couldn't find a PDF of the 50mm instructions.

I guess it could be a limitation, but I instinctively wake the camera up if I put it to my eye, so I really haven't noticed anything awkward about using it.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 13:49:07 GMT

This condition happens with USM lenses too. Not simply STM lenses.

With my EF 85mm f1.2 L II, manual focus only works when attached to a camera that's turned on. No camera, or the camera is off, results in no manual focusing. You must be sure to set focus at infinity before you remove it from your camera if want the lens as short as possible. Removed from the camera and the manual focus ring spins freely.

"The behavior is the same on an EF mount with the 50mm, which I have."

I was not aware that Canon has any STM lens in the 'EF' line? Wrong, right?

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:18:41 GMT

40mm pancake, 50mm f/1.8 & a 24-105mm zoom are EF mount with STM.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

jazzman1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:24:40 GMT

No camera, or the camera is off, results in no manual focusing.

Question: I'm not understanding this explanation. What purpose or situation would one seek in focusing the lens when the camera is off????

You must be sure to set focus at infinity before you remove it from your camera if want the lens as short as possible

What's the purpose for doing this???? And does this apply to all lens or just STM???

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:29:21 GMT

"What purpose or situation would one seek in focusing the lens when the camera is off?"

The EF 85mm f1.2 L II extends about a 1/2 inch from close to infinity focus. If you want it as short as possibile for storing, you must do so while on the camera. You can not when it is removed.

I don't buy EF-S lenses as I have no camera anymore that can us one. So I have not tried all of them. I will guess, yes, it does.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:36:01 GMT

"40mm pancake, 50mm f/1.8 & a 24-105mm zoom are EF mount with STM."

OK, thanx, that explains it. I would not even consider a "pancake' anything except for breakfest. I also avoid any lens that is not a constant aperture, if possibile. So that will also leave out the ef 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 is stm because there is a constant aperture version availible. Not that either are poor lenses, just not for me.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

jrhoffman75 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:41:37 GMT

I don't have the pancake or zoom, but it seems to be a popular lens on non-gripped bodies for street photography. Compact package.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:55:27 GMT

To each his own. Makes me happy.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

amfoto1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:27:02 GMT

What's really important here is that STM lenses (be they EF-S or EF mount) use "fly-by-wire" focusing... In other words they require power supply to drive the focus motors and have no mechanical means of directly controlling focus manually. With the camera off or in sleep mode, you won't be able to manually focus. Also, when you first turn the camera on or awaken it from sleep mode, the lens will do a "reset" of the focus, which surprises some people. STM can be manually overridden (like USM), but once again requires the lens be powered on at the time to do so.

Newer cameras are optimized to work with STM. I don't have any myself, but understand that the STM lenses act a little odd on some older camera models that pre-dated the introduction of STM in 2012. No harm done apparently and it should work fine, but it might be a little noisier focusing and/or have some other minor quirks when used on earlier camera models. I believe the Rebel T5i/700D and 70D were the first models optimized for use with STM.

So, in answer to your question... yes, it will fit and work. Just don't be surprised if the lens operates slightly differently than other Canon lenses you've used (micro motor or USM).

And, yes, one instance where you might want to operate the lens focus with power off would be when putting the camera away, setting focus to infinity in order to retract the lens fully for storage. With an STM lens, it's simply that the power needs to be on to do this.

Other points from the manual have to do with STM zoom lenses. Of course teh STM 50/1.8 isn't a zoom, so those don't apply.

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Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

TTMartin — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:55:04 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
To each his own. Makes me happy.

I understand constant aperture lenses are harder to design and build than variable aperture lenses, so they constant apertures lenses are typically higher end lenses.

What I never understood, was if you can make a constant aperture 70-200 f/2.8 lens, couldn't you make just as high a quality 70-200 f/1.4 - 2.8 variable aperture lens? And why wouldn't you want a lens like that?

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

TTMartin — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 21:19:41 GMT

@amfoto1 wrote:
. . .

Newer cameras are optimized to work with STM. I don't have any myself, but understand that the STM lenses act a little odd on some older camera models that pre-dated the introduction of STM in 2012. No harm done apparently and it should work fine, but it might be a little noisier focusing and/or have some other minor quirks when used on earlier camera models. I believe the Rebel T5i/700D and 70D were the first models optimized for use with STM.

. . .

i've had no issues using the 40mm f/2.8 STM with my Canon XTi. It makes a great little compact combination.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 23:04:52 GMT

"... couldn't you make just as high a quality 70-200 f/1.4 - 2.8 variable aperture lens?"

Don't we wish it were that simple? Remember f1.4 is two stops faster than f2.8. And the lens has to be designed as a 70mm f1.4. Make sense? The cost of that alone would make the cost soar. Lets consider a close comparison. The EF 50mm f1.4 is around $350 bucks. But the EF 50mm f1.2L is about $1500. This is less than a stop difference. And four times the price. Granted it is an L vs a standard but the comparison is still valid.

I guess we can dream.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

ebiggs1 — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:26:16 GMT

Of course cost is only one of the factors. A few others would be size and weight. It would be huge and it would be heavy. Very heavy. Add to that it is a zoom with all its problems.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

TTMartin — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:29:30 GMT

@ebiggs1 wrote:
Of course cost is only one of the factors. A few others would be size and weight. It would be huge and it would be heavy. Very heavy. Add to that it is a zoom with all its problems.

The lens is already designed to have an f/2.8 aperture at 200mm. Keeping that same aperture size works out close to f/1 at 70mm. Making a constant aperture L lens variable aperture shouldn't increase the size or weight at all. It seems like more of a marketing issue than a technological one. But, then I could be missing something.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

RobertTheFat — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 20:16:59 GMT

@TTMartin wrote:
@ebiggs1 wrote:
Of course cost is only one of the factors. A few others would be size and weight. It would be huge and it would be heavy. Very heavy. Add to that it is a zoom with all its problems.

The lens is already designed to have an f/2.8 aperture at 200mm. Keeping that same aperture size works out close to f/1 at 70mm. Making a constant aperture L lens variable aperture shouldn't increase the size or weight at all. It seems like more of a marketing issue than a technological one. But, then I could be missing something.

Since you seem to be more knowledgeable about lens design than most of us think we are, perhaps you could enlighten us (without the arm waving) as to how the specific issues that would surely arise (optics, autofocus motor, aberration control, size and weight, manufacturing, etc.) should be approached. Normally I wouldn't try to put you on the spot, but you seem so sure of yourself, and so resistant to others' cautionary comments, that I guess you won't mind in this case.

Re: CANON EOS 600D WITH STM 50MM F/,1.8

jrhoffman75 — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 20:53:25 GMT

" It seems like more of a marketing issue than a technological one."

If it was marketing I would think marketing would favor the variable aperture. Folks would be all over a "70-200mm f/1.0-2.8" lens.